Terrorist attack on airplane

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Dari

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Thread locked because it has turned into a P&N type flamefest. I am also referring the thread to a moderator discussion, because my first reaction is to vacation about a half dozen people in this thread for personal attacks. If that half dozen of you are lucky, the other senior moderators won't be in agreement with me. Such attacks may be overlooked to some degree in P&N, but this isn't P&N. Thread not moved because there's already such a thread in P&N. -DrPizza
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Earlier they said it was just a firecracker. Now it's been upgraded to a full terror attack

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/12/25/airliner.firecrackers/index.html

Explosive device set off aboard airliner
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
White House is considering the incident an attempted terrorist attack
Passenger ignited firecrackers, Delta Air Lines said earlier
Passenger is immediately subdued; FBI investigating
Flight originated in Amsterdam, Netherlands, ended in Detroit, Michigan
(CNN) -- A passenger ignited a small explosive device on a Northwest flight Friday from Amsterdam, Netherlands, to Detroit, Michigan, according to a federal government bulletin.

A senior administration official said the White House is considering the incident an attempted terrorist attack.

The passenger was immediately subdued, according to Susan Elliott, spokeswoman for Delta, Northwest's parent company, Elliott said earlier that the suspect had ignited several small firecrackers. The incident resulted in some minor injuries, she said.

A passenger, identified as a Nigerian national, was later placed in custody and is being treated for burns suffered in the explosion, said the bulletin, obtained by CNN from a source familiar with the investigation.

The passenger "is claiming to have extremist affiliation and that the device was acquired in Yemen along with instructions as to when it should be used," according to the bulletin.

The FBI is investigating the incident, said bureau spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold.

President Obama, who is spending the holidays in his home state of Hawaii, was briefed on the incident during a secure phone call with aides and instructed in a subsequent discussion with security advisers "that all appropriate measures be taken to increase security for air travel," White House spokesman Bill Burton said. The president made no changes to his schedule, Burton said.

The Department of Homeland Security issued a statement Friday saying that air passengers "may notice additional screening measures put into place to ensure the safety of the traveling public on domestic and international flights."

One passenger from the flight was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman Tracy Justice said.

"All passengers have deplaned and out of an abundance of caution, the plane was moved to a remote area where the plane and all baggage are currently being rescreened," the Transportation Security Administration said in a statement. Passengers from the flight were being interviewed.

The Northwest plane, an Airbus 330, landed shortly before noon. It was carrying 278 passengers.

CNN's Kevin Bohn, Elise Labott, Ed Henry and Rachel Streitfeld contributed to this report.
 
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rudeguy

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wtf???? This is a terror attack but killing 17 soldiers on American soil isn't?

Obama and his White House are so full of shit that its amazing.
 

Dari

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wtf???? This is a terror attack but killing 17 soldiers on American soil isn't?

Obama and his White House are so full of shit that its amazing.

If that is true then the Oklahama City bombing shouldn't be classified as a terror attack either (at least according to Obama).
 

ElFenix

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wtf???? This is a terror attack but killing 17 soldiers on American soil isn't?

Obama and his White House are so full of shit that its amazing.

this isn't a terror attack but then neither is standard mass murder. someone goes into a burger king, shoots people, and offs themselves, it's not terror. it's just senseless violence.
 

rudeguy

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this isn't a terror attack but then neither is standard mass murder. someone goes into a burger king, shoots people, and offs themselves, it's not terror. it's just senseless violence.

right...and it just so happens that the offender was in contact with Al Qaeda trying to get tips from them.

A duck is a duck and a terrorist sympathizer is a terrorist sympathizer.
 

z1ggy

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Terrorism is using terror and fear to get what you want. If you are killing just for the fact that you kill, is that still terrorism?
 

techs

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wtf???? This is a terror attack but killing 17 soldiers on American soil isn't?

Obama and his White House are so full of shit that its amazing.

this isn't a terror attack but then neither is standard mass murder. someone goes into a burger king, shoots people, and offs themselves, it's not terror. it's just senseless violence.

I wonder if Rudeguy thought about that?

In fact, Rudeguy opens the door to a broad definiton of terrorism. If a guy goes in and shoots up the cable company office, is it terrorism if his motivation to get them to lower their rates?

If someone kills a doctor who performs abortions is it terrorism? Or if someone kills a cop who is trying to arrest him, is it terrorism?
Both are trying to intimidate or stop our normal everyday life.
Is that terrorism?

Or is every crime essentially terrorist? Or does motivation count?
 

rudeguy

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I wonder if Rudeguy thought about that?

In fact, Rudeguy opens the door to a broad definiton of terrorism. If a guy goes in and shoots up the cable company office, is it terrorism if his motivation to get them to lower their rates?

If someone kills a doctor who performs abortions is it terrorism? Or if someone kills a cop who is trying to arrest him, is it terrorism?
Both are trying to intimidate or stop our normal everyday life.
Is that terrorism?

Or is every crime essentially terrorist? Or does motivation count?

I'm pretty sure that communicating with the enemy we are fighting a war (2 wars?) against should be figured in.

But my point is that they are very quick to call this a terrorist attack and to even make a point of doing so. I'm would just like to know why the hurry in calling this terrorism but not Fort Hood?
 

Capt Caveman

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I'm pretty sure that communicating with the enemy we are fighting a war (2 wars?) against should be figured in.

But my point is that they are very quick to call this a terrorist attack and to even make a point of doing so. I'm would just like to know why the hurry in calling this terrorism but not Fort Hood?

I think it's b/c there are rumors that the individual in this attack has said that it was a planned Al Qaeda attack.
 

SagaLore

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wtf???? This is a terror attack but killing 17 soldiers on American soil isn't?

Obama and his White House are so full of shit that its amazing.

Main Entry: ter·ror·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\
Function: noun

: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion


Nope, doesn't seem like it.
 

arcenite

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This pisses me off. Everytime something goes down on a plane, they increase security. WHY NOT TAKE A PROACTIVE APPROACH SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BEGIN WITH?

I'd be happy to stand in line for an extra 30 mins or more to prevent loss of life due to these asshats.
 

Epic Fail

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This pisses me off. Everytime something goes down on a plane, they increase security. WHY NOT TAKE A PROACTIVE APPROACH SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TO BEGIN WITH?

I'd be happy to stand in line for an extra 30 mins or more to prevent loss of life due to these asshats.

Politicians need to give off an appearance of doing something.
 

wwswimming

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The passenger was immediately subdued, according to Susan Elliott, spokeswoman for Delta, Northwest's parent company, Elliott said earlier that the suspect had ignited several small firecrackers. The incident resulted in some minor injuries, she said.

= PRANK, vandaLism - etc.

they're a little trigger-happy if they're calling this terrorism. of course they have a War on Terror to feed.

what's next ? baby farts = attempted terrorism ?
 

Capt Caveman

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The passenger was immediately subdued, according to Susan Elliott, spokeswoman for Delta, Northwest's parent company, Elliott said earlier that the suspect had ignited several small firecrackers. The incident resulted in some minor injuries, she said.

= PRANK, vandaLism - etc.

they're a little trigger-happy if they're calling this terrorism. of course they have a War on Terror to feed.

what's next ? baby farts = attempted terrorism ?

???

AP sources: Al-Qaida link in failed plane attack

A Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria, who said he was acting on al-Qaida's instructions, tried to blow up the plane Friday as it was landing in Detroit, law enforcement and national security officials said.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.
 
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