Terror links in Iraq

AEB

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I know many of you don't like bill o'reilly and thats fine. but i was watching his program today and he said there was a terror training camp found in iraq (i forget the name) and that a top al-quadia guy was treated for wounds and given safe housing in baghdad, now you know the media coverage is bad when i miss the story!

Any links would be appreciated (Cad)

Aside from that there is a terror link, which i think totally justifies the war regardless of why we went in. so now only to find WMD....

and as te summary says don't hate. dont attack bush or why he "f'd" up im trying to gain more info
 

arsbanned

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Did they have the WMD then?

Well, thank goodness you finally discovered the justification for spending 100s of BILLIONS of dollars and ending the lives of so many fine soldiers.

Bush in 04!

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Ldir

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This is old news. It was not connected to the Iraqi government.
 

Czar

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the camp was in Kurdish controled area in northen Iraq
also a camp identified as a terrorist camp in Powel's speech at the UN was few days later identified by Kurdish leaders as one of their camps

and I remember reading about that surgery but dont remember the details, and for there to be a link it would have to be sponsored or aided by Saddam's gov
 

AEB

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thanks to ldir and czar, ars ur post was useless, and yes the shell did contain an element considerd to be a "wmd". your money would have been wasted anyway and soldiers die, its sad but the casualties are realatively low. but even now i digress, my questions were answerd so im done i with this
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: AEB
thanks to ldir and czar, ars ur post was useless, and yes the shell did contain an element considerd to be a "wmd". your money would have been wasted anyway and soldiers die, its sad but the casualties are realatively low. but even now i digress, my questions were answerd so im done i with this

Yeah, it was enough to cause two soldiers to cough real bad, mace would have been worse, so i have wmd's in my house.

Chemical mobile labs, stockpiles, expanding capacity, nuclear capacity, 25000 tons, 10000 liters.

However, the camp was between the kurdish area and the rest of Iraq (in the mountain area, a no fly zone), do you know WHO controlled that zone? The US, and Saddam couldn't have done anything about it even if he wanted to.
 

syzygy

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Originally posted by: AEB
I know many of you don't like bill o'reilly and thats fine. but i was watching his program today and he said there was a terror training camp found in iraq (i forget the name) and that a top al-quadia guy was treated for wounds and given safe housing in baghdad, now you know the media coverage is bad when i miss the story!

if o'reilly was talking yesterday about some camp being found then its probably not al-ansar, the camp
mentioned above, because o'reilly and every other news-conscious person is already aware of its
existence, therefore nothing new to report.

but i can't find any mention of any recent camp story from his web site .. .
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: syzygy
Originally posted by: AEB
I know many of you don't like bill o'reilly and thats fine. but i was watching his program today and he said there was a terror training camp found in iraq (i forget the name) and that a top al-quadia guy was treated for wounds and given safe housing in baghdad, now you know the media coverage is bad when i miss the story!

if o'reilly was talking yesterday about some camp being found then its probably not al-ansar, the camp
mentioned above, because o'reilly and every other news-conscious person is already aware of its
existence, therefore nothing new to report.

but i can't find any mention of any recent camp story from his web site .. .

Rush probably did some Oxycontin and saw something and o'reilly reported it.

It's how it usually works.
 

NesuD

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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: AEB
thanks to ldir and czar, ars ur post was useless, and yes the shell did contain an element considerd to be a "wmd". your money would have been wasted anyway and soldiers die, its sad but the casualties are realatively low. but even now i digress, my questions were answerd so im done i with this

Yeah, it was enough to cause two soldiers to cough real bad, mace would have been worse, so i have wmd's in my house.

Chemical mobile labs, stockpiles, expanding capacity, nuclear capacity, 25000 tons, 10000 liters.

However, the camp was between the kurdish area and the rest of Iraq (in the mountain area, a no fly zone), do you know WHO controlled that zone? The US, and Saddam couldn't have done anything about it even if he wanted to.

You dolt!! The shell was a binary chemical weapon containing Sarin nerve gas. Do you understand how binary weapons work? There are 2 containers in the device each contains a different component of the Sarin. Separately the two components are basically harmless. when you mix them they become lethal. the way the shel should have be used would have had the 2 components already mixed before it detonated. The idiots that rigged it never mixed the 2 components so when it detonated it wasn't in a lethal form. If it had been thoroughly mixed before it detonated those 2 guys would have been screwednot to mention anyone else in the immediate vicinity.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: AEB
thanks to ldir and czar, ars ur post was useless, and yes the shell did contain an element considerd to be a "wmd". your money would have been wasted anyway and soldiers die, its sad but the casualties are realatively low. but even now i digress, my questions were answerd so im done i with this

Yeah, it was enough to cause two soldiers to cough real bad, mace would have been worse, so i have wmd's in my house.

Chemical mobile labs, stockpiles, expanding capacity, nuclear capacity, 25000 tons, 10000 liters.

However, the camp was between the kurdish area and the rest of Iraq (in the mountain area, a no fly zone), do you know WHO controlled that zone? The US, and Saddam couldn't have done anything about it even if he wanted to.

You dolt!! The shell was a binary chemical weapon containing Sarin nerve gas. Do you understand how binary weapons work? There are 2 containers in the device each contains a different component of the Sarin. Separately the two components are basically harmless. when you mix them they become lethal. the way the shel should have be used would have had the 2 components already mixed before it detonated. The idiots that rigged it never mixed the 2 components so when it detonated it wasn't in a lethal form. If it had been thoroughly mixed before it detonated those 2 guys would have been screwednot to mention anyone else in the immediate vicinity.

If you had read any of my previous posts, then you would have known i know how they work. basically this is like chlorin or ammonia without mixing them, however, if that one grenade which came from who knows where is the stockpile, then i would say that the US definition of stockpiles differs from mine.

Sarin gas IS deadly, in contained areas, out in the open, in an open landscape especieally, it doesn't do much. And yes, i believe i knwo this better than you do.

Edit: would clorine gas be considered a WMD? if so, i got enough to create stockpiles.
 

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The idiots that rigged it never mixed the 2 components so when it detonated it wasn't in a lethal form. If it had been thoroughly mixed before it detonated those 2 guys would have been screwednot to mention anyone else in the immediate vicinity.

Exactly. It bears repeating, over and over, until these poor misled people GET IT.


klixxer, wasn't he referring to AEBs post? Or maybe I have it wrong. Whatever. ;)
 

Czar

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the reason why this single sarin bomb is irrelevant of the wmd's Bush talked about is that its from the Iran/Iraq war, its leftovers, something that could easily have been a dud at the time and now someone rigged it up so it worked.
 

Klixxer

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
The idiots that rigged it never mixed the 2 components so when it detonated it wasn't in a lethal form. If it had been thoroughly mixed before it detonated those 2 guys would have been screwednot to mention anyone else in the immediate vicinity.

Exactly. It bears repeating, over and over, until these poor misled people GET IT.


klixxer, wasn't he referring to AEBs post? Or maybe I have it wrong. Whatever. ;)

Probably was and i probably jumped on it for all of the wrong reasons.

Doesn't matter now though, any highschool lab can produce extremely toxic gasses that would, in a contained area, be harmful to a lot of people.

The problem remains the same for those who were for the war, and "prove it wasn't moved" just isn't a good answer.
 
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I watched a little bit of that and saw that segment. I forgot the name of the camp or where it was, but it seemed to be some camp that some NPR host did not recognize in an interview. Supposedly it had terrorist training manuals in it and other stuff like that. I believe that he also mentioned that it had a passenger jet...He wanted Bush to talk about it in his speech.

I can't believe that I just admitted that I watched a part of the Factor....hey, I was bored ;)
 

Infohawk

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Even if there are NOW terrorists in Iraq, it doesn't say anything about the value of the war in the first place. When the war started, there was no link between 9/11 and iraq.

Recognizing that there are now terrorists hurts the Bush administration. It means that instead of invading Iraq and getting rid of terrorists, he has invaded and caused them to be present! Basically, he's spreading terrorism.

If you are only worried about terrorist breeding grounds, why aren't you invading Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

"side from that there is a terror link, which i think totally justifies the war regardless of why we went in. so now only to find WMD...."
How absurd. You justify wars BEFORE you start them, not AFTER you start them.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Even if there are NOW terrorists in Iraq, it doesn't say anything about the value of the war in the first place. When the war started, there was no link between 9/11 and iraq.

Recognizing that there are now terrorists hurts the Bush administration. It means that instead of invading Iraq and getting rid of terrorists, he has invaded and caused them to be present! Basically, he's spreading terrorism.

If you are only worried about terrorist breeding grounds, why aren't you invading Saudi Arabia or Pakistan?

"side from that there is a terror link, which i think totally justifies the war regardless of why we went in. so now only to find WMD...."
How absurd. You justify wars BEFORE you start them, not AFTER you start them.

No, no, no, no. He's *concentrating* the terrorists in Iraq.

It was actually a secret, strategeric goal of his.