Terrible start to Oct.

tommywishbone

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Just a terrible start to October for US forces in Iraq. It certanly appears that as the US 'Stays the course" the enemy alters course and becomes more deadly than ever.:(


'Tragic day' claims eight US soldiers in Baghdad by Paul Schemm
Tue Oct 3, 9:34 AM ET.

BAGHDAD (AFP) - At least 17 US soldiers have been killed around Iraq since Saturday, including eight in a single day in Baghdad, the US military announced, saying the toll had brought "a tragic day".

The toll represents a dramatic spike for US casualties in Iraq which generally average no more than a couple of wounded a day, especially for the Baghdad-based forces.

"I don't have any comparative figures," said Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, who declined to say whether the toll was an increase. "We have tragic days and this was a tragic day."

Monday saw four soldiers killed when their vehicle was obliterated by a roadside bomb in northwest Baghdad, as well as four soldiers killed by small arms fire in various other spots throughout the city.

Since August, there have been many more US soldiers operating across Baghdad as part of the "phase two" of the Iraqi government's four-month-old Operation Together Forward to restore stability to the war-torn capital.

US soldiers, together with Iraqi security forces, are flooding some of the city's most troubled neighborhoods and engaging in house-to-house searches for unlicensed weapons and insurgents.

Seven of the other US casualties since Saturday have been in the western Al-Anbar province, the center of a fierce anti-US insurgency that generally claims the lion's share of fatalities.

Since the summer, there has been an increase in US deaths there as well, though US military sources in the province say this is because of increased efforts to quash rebel strongholds in the towns of Ramadi, Hit and Haditha.

The number of US servicemen that have died since the March 2003 invasion is 2,723 according to an AFP count based on Pentagon figures.

Violence targeting ordinary Iraqis has been higher than usual as well, with the US military reporting that suicide bombings over the past weeks have been at an all time high.

In the southern Baghdad neighborhood of Saidiyah, a man wearing a belt of explosives blew himself up in a fish market killing two people and wounding 19, according to officials in the defense ministry.

A bomb exploded near a well-known Shiite mosque in the middle class neighborhood of Karrada, killing one person and wounding nine, while another bomb claimed two lives in the northern neighborhood of Qahira.

In addition to bombs, Baghdad residents have to watch out for mortar shells as militants in rival neighborhoods fire indiscriminately at each other's residents.

One person was killed and another wounded in the Abu Chir neighborhood in southern Baghdad, while 10 people were wounded in a mortar attack in Mussayib, some 60 kilometers (40 miles) south of the capital.

In nearby Baquba, capital of Diyalah province, the same brutal sectarian-driven violence was manifest with nine people being killed in various incidents around the city.

Police also discovered on a highway north Baquba seven bodies of a father, his five children and a nephew, bound and shot through the head. The Shiite family had been kidnapped earlier by gunmen.

Three bodies also turned up just south of the northern oil city of Kirkuk.


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Lemon law

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Stay the course---stay the course---we will have peace in Iraq when we suceed in killing everyone there.
 

LegendKiller

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The insurgency is on its last legs, soon we will be able to re-declare "mission accomplished" and the world will never face another terrorist attack.
 

Pens1566

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At least we found all those WMDs. At least that's what Fox news and Rick Santorum tell me.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
At least we found all those WMDs. At least that's what Fox news and Rick Santorum tell me.

Maybe he rubbed the jar that he keeps his 20-week old dead fetus in told him there was.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Pens1566
At least we found all those WMDs. At least that's what Fox news and Rick Santorum tell me.

I swear whenever I turn on FoxNews and they are talking about Iraq they always have to bring up a comment about Al Qaeda. They dont directly link it to Iraq but they always include the damn group in the same paragraph.

FoxNews pisses me off yet I cant change the channel
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Pens1566
At least we found all those WMDs. At least that's what Fox news and Rick Santorum tell me.

I swear whenever I turn on FoxNews and they are talking about Iraq they always have to bring up a comment about Al Qaeda. They dont directly link it to Iraq but they always include the damn group in the same paragraph.

FoxNews pisses me off yet I cant change the channel

Yup... They don't want you to change the channel. Soon the message will be "REPEATED" over and over you will just believe it. Kinda like what they do when you go to curch. You just accept it.

Good Lord whatever you "DON'T touch that dial!"

Soon, you'll be voting for bush again like a good little christain.
 

maluckey

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I swear whenever I turn on FoxNews and they are talking about Iraq they always have to bring up a comment about Al Qaeda. They dont directly link it to Iraq but they always include the damn group in the same paragraph.

Perhaps it's because Al-Queda in Iraq has pledged allegiance to Al-Queda? What part of that is difficult to understand. Despite Zarquawis death, Al-Masri is still plugging along just fine.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: maluckey
I swear whenever I turn on FoxNews and they are talking about Iraq they always have to bring up a comment about Al Qaeda. They dont directly link it to Iraq but they always include the damn group in the same paragraph.

Perhaps it's because Al-Queda in Iraq has pledged allegiance to Al-Queda? What part of that is difficult to understand. Despite Zarquawis death, Al-Masri is still plugging along just fine.

Uh, they weren't there before we invaded.
 

Lemon law

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What is more disturbing is not that Al-Masri is plugging along just fine---Al-Masri is doing better--Zarquawis tended to favor Sunni on Shiite deathsquads---and his sucessor is more democratic and encourages both---and now seems to be exporting violence to the Kurdish regions also---with the monthly Iraqi civilian death toll averaging about 6000 a month.
We expect this end justifies the means from terrorists----but we have the same tactics from GWB.

I think Iraq is infinitely worse off now than before we invaded---will the ends justify the means---the dead will never know.
 

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I don't believe that the administration is unable to set a time table. I think the time table is just unacceptably long.
 

maluckey

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I do recall the Taliban doing fine witout U.S. involvement. OBL was already a terrorist, and Zarquawi was already one (fresh out of proison) as well. The United States simply gave them excuses to do what they wanted to do anyways.

This whole argument is like saying that serial killers only exist because there are cops on patrol. Laws and rules do not beget crime, though they do expose to plain sight what was already there.
 

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Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Just a terrible start to October for US forces in Iraq. It certanly appears that as the US 'Stays the course" the enemy alters course and becomes more deadly than ever.:(


'Tragic day' claims eight US soldiers in Baghdad by Paul Schemm
Tue Oct 3, 9:34 AM ET.

BAGHDAD (AFP) - At least 17 US soldiers have been killed around Iraq since Saturday, including eight in a single day in Baghdad, the US military announced, saying the toll had brought "a tragic day".

The toll represents a dramatic spike for US casualties in Iraq which generally average no more than a couple of wounded a day, especially for the Baghdad-based forces.

"I don't have any comparative figures," said Lieutenant Colonel Barry Johnson, who declined to say whether the toll was an increase. "We have tragic days and this was a tragic day."

Monday saw four soldiers killed when their vehicle was obliterated by a roadside bomb in northwest Baghdad, as well as four soldiers killed by small arms fire in various other spots throughout the city.

Since August, there have been many more US soldiers operating across Baghdad as part of the "phase two" of the Iraqi government's four-month-old Operation Together Forward to restore stability to the war-torn capital.

US soldiers, together with Iraqi security forces, are flooding some of the city's most troubled neighborhoods and engaging in house-to-house searches for unlicensed weapons and insurgents.

Seven of the other US casualties since Saturday have been in the western Al-Anbar province, the center of a fierce anti-US insurgency that generally claims the lion's share of fatalities.

Since the summer, there has been an increase in US deaths there as well, though US military sources in the province say this is because of increased efforts to quash rebel strongholds in the towns of Ramadi, Hit and Haditha.

The number of US servicemen that have died since the March 2003 invasion is 2,723 according to an AFP count based on Pentagon figures.

Violence targeting ordinary Iraqis has been higher than usual as well, with the US military reporting that suicide bombings over the past weeks have been at an all time high.

In the southern Baghdad neighborhood of Saidiyah, a man wearing a belt of explosives blew himself up in a fish market killing two people and wounding 19, according to officials in the defense ministry.

A bomb exploded near a well-known Shiite mosque in the middle class neighborhood of Karrada, killing one person and wounding nine, while another bomb claimed two lives in the northern neighborhood of Qahira.

In addition to bombs, Baghdad residents have to watch out for mortar shells as militants in rival neighborhoods fire indiscriminately at each other's residents.

One person was killed and another wounded in the Abu Chir neighborhood in southern Baghdad, while 10 people were wounded in a mortar attack in Mussayib, some 60 kilometers (40 miles) south of the capital.

In nearby Baquba, capital of Diyalah province, the same brutal sectarian-driven violence was manifest with nine people being killed in various incidents around the city.

Police also discovered on a highway north Baquba seven bodies of a father, his five children and a nephew, bound and shot through the head. The Shiite family had been kidnapped earlier by gunmen.

Three bodies also turned up just south of the northern oil city of Kirkuk.


Why are brave people dying for nothing?