The way people talk is an issue of culture and national origin, not race. That's why xenophobia is a better concept here than racism. But also, the issue here is portraying the Chinese, and by that I mean actual people who live in China, as being happy about stealing American jobs. Had the person portrayed spoken without the accent, it would have undermined the xenophobic message.
The way people talk is an issue of culture and national origin, not race. That's why xenophobia is a better concept here than racism. But also, the issue here is portraying the Chinese, and by that I mean actual people who live in China, as being happy about stealing American jobs. Had the person portrayed spoken without the accent, it would have undermined the xenophobic message.
Agreed.
As an Asian person I don't find it remotely offensive.
It is a terrible ad though and I can't help but laugh at and him and his campaign staff for making it.
I agree it's not racist (as an Asian), but it is xenophobic and just plain offensive.
It uses the race of a US citizen to attack them politically. Not much difference to me if say a US citizen of Iranian descent had an ad portrayed being in Iran with oil being pumped out of the ground with a background of missiles and a nuclear reactor saying "a vote for him/her is a vote making America unsafe".
You'd hope we would have evolved past that but hey - lowest common denominator.
What's also stupid is China is killing us on the manufacturing front and instead of showing that, he tries for another layer of cultural supremacy by portraying rice paddies.
It uses the race of a US citizen to attack them politically. Not much difference to me if say a US citizen of Iranian descent had an ad portrayed being in Iran with oil being pumped out of the ground with a background of missiles and a nuclear reactor saying "a vote for him/her is a vote making America unsafe".
You'd hope we would have evolved past that but hey - lowest common denominator.
What's also stupid is China is killing us on the manufacturing front and instead of showing that, he tries for another layer of cultural supremacy by portraying rice paddies.
cybrsage
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No, they all lost their paddies when Obama did not include them in the bailouts. For that alone I refuse to vote for Obama. :AngryTwistedMadFace:
The ad is clearly racist, perpetuating the not-American beliefs many hold of Asian-Americans and using other derogatory stereotypes of the Asian American community.
We must also look at history. Michigan is the state where Vincent Chin was beaten to death in an anti-Asian environment, making international news and helping create the modern Asian civil rights movement. The politician knew what he was doing and the environment he was operating in.
We must also look at history. Michigan is the state where Vincent Chin was beaten to death in an anti-Asian environment, making international news and helping create the modern Asian civil rights movement. The politician knew what he was doing and the environment he was operating in.
More cries of wolf...no, not Woolfe9999. He is right. Xenophobic yes, racist no.
But keeping on crying wolf so when racism really occurs, people will be so tone deaf to it that it gets ignored. The PC culture is truly pathetic nowadays.
"Waahhh, I am slightly offended or think someone else might be so I need to bitch about it on the Intarwebs!!"
But keeping on crying wolf so when racism really occurs, people will be so tone deaf to it that it gets ignored. The PC culture is truly pathetic nowadays.
"Waahhh, I am slightly offended or think someone else might be so I need to bitch about it on the Intarwebs!!"
Atreus21
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You don't think having the actress speak broken English, riding a bike through a rice paddy, with stereotypical music playing in the background is ridiculing Asians?
...No. It's not.
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Especially considering he voted for most of the things he is accusing her wasting American money on. Pete is not a penny pincher which makes his ad so pathetically funny. He doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of unseating her.
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Who is Pete's primary challenger? He got his ass kicked by Rick Synder in the republican primary for governor in 2010.
Hard to believe he's the best the GOP has to offer in a statewide election. He's can't win with the Dutch Reformed Church vote from 2 counties like he did during this tenure in the US House. His support is a mile deep, and an inch wide.
Hard to believe he's the best the GOP has to offer in a statewide election. He's can't win with the Dutch Reformed Church vote from 2 counties like he did during this tenure in the US House. His support is a mile deep, and an inch wide.
Not really because I don't there is enough bandwidth on the internet to post all the racist connotations and dog whistles from the Republican party.
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I suspect if a thread was started of state or national Democrats exhibiting racism towards Mitt Romney because he is white, entries would be zero.
It's both.
It is both racist and xenophobic, the latter being more directly related.
You have to realize that when dealing with a subject like this, most "average folk" will not differentiate between an insulting representation of a foreign citizen and their next-door-neighbor with an accent.
Take, for instance, the beating of Indian Cab Drivers after 9-11. Why? Because "They're MUSLIM!!!!!"
ya.
The "average" american is an ignorant prick willing to hate anybody remotely resembling something different than they are for whatever reason (unless they want to sleep with them, that is). Splitting the hair between Xenophobia and Racism is pointless, as the two are usually practiced with equal ignorance and hate (and, in many cases, simultaneously).
It is both racist and xenophobic, the latter being more directly related.
You have to realize that when dealing with a subject like this, most "average folk" will not differentiate between an insulting representation of a foreign citizen and their next-door-neighbor with an accent.
Take, for instance, the beating of Indian Cab Drivers after 9-11. Why? Because "They're MUSLIM!!!!!"
ya.
The "average" american is an ignorant prick willing to hate anybody remotely resembling something different than they are for whatever reason (unless they want to sleep with them, that is). Splitting the hair between Xenophobia and Racism is pointless, as the two are usually practiced with equal ignorance and hate (and, in many cases, simultaneously).
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No... Remember that thread where white people were complaining about the "Shit White Girls Say" video being racist, and I had to explain that it's not racist because it's making fun of stereotypes in good fun? The PC crowd can't distinguish between racism and satire. I can, and this isn't satire in any way, it's just crudely denigrating Asians of all ethnicities and nationalities in a political attack ad. The very purpose is to direct anger toward the Chinese people, rather than the corporations outsourcing and the Chinese government that keeps working conditions bad. It may be that this guy just didn't think it through, but that doesn't make it any less racist.
If you have Asperger's or just don't have a sense of humor, here's an easy litmus test to tell whether something is actually satire or just a racist (or classist, or xenophobic) attack: Are the people being made fun of laughing along?
Working class white people laugh when Jeff Foxworthy tells jokes about them, black people laugh when Chris Rock tells jokes about them, Asians laugh when Margaret Cho tells jokes about them, Latinos laugh when George Lopez tells jokes about them, and rich white people laugh when Dave Chappelle tells jokes about them. I can't see anybody laughing at this crude caricature of a Chinese person.
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Oh god forbid we should ask our politicians to not be hypocrites. The whole system would collapse.
Wouldn't an honest politician be oxymoronic?
I don't think we could use that phrase w/o dire consequences....
read what Ninjahedge said
what a shock GOP Hard-ons like Patranus and cyber see nothing wrong, offensive, Xenophobic, or offense at all with the add....
what a shock GOP Hard-ons like Patranus and cyber see nothing wrong, offensive, Xenophobic, or offense at all with the add....
Just another showing by Republicans how much they hate America.
But that aside the girl they used for the ad is hot, I give them that much credit anyway.
In all fairness, it is not "Republicans".
It is racist, xenophobic, homophobic, right wing political patrons that support the Republican Party.....
Unfortunately... they do represent a majority of that representation....
It is racist, xenophobic, homophobic, right wing political patrons that support the Republican Party.....
Unfortunately... they do represent a majority of that representation....
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