Terrible news. Baby shot dead in Georgia

[Carfax83]

I didn't see that anyone had posted this yet:

BRUNSWICK, Ga. (AP) — In five years, Sherry West has lost two sons to unspeakable violence.

The Georgia mother was grieving from Thursday's shooting death of her 13-month-old son in his stroller during an attempted robbery while they took a morning stroll. In 2008, her 18-year-old son was stabbed in an altercation in New Jersey.

A pair of teenagers was arrested Friday in the most recent shooting. West had just been to the post office a few blocks from her apartment Thursday morning and was pushing her son, Antonio, in his stroller while they walked past gnarled oak trees and blooming azaleas in the coastal city of Brunswick.

West said a tall, skinny teenager, accompanied by a smaller boy, asked her for money.

"He asked me for money and I said I didn't have it," she told The Associated Press on Friday from her apartment, which was scattered with her son's toys and movies.

"When you have a baby, you spend all your money on babies. They're expensive. And he kept asking and I just said 'I don't have it.' And he said, 'Do you want me to kill your baby?' And I said, 'No, don't kill my baby!'"
One of the teens fired four shots, grazing West's ear and striking her in the leg, before he walked around to the stroller and shot the baby in the face.

Seventeen-year-old De'Marquis Elkins is charged as an adult with first-degree murder, along with a 14-year-old who was not identified because he is a juvenile, Police Chief Tobe Green said. It wasn't immediately clear whether the boys had attorneys.

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How terrible. :'(

One of the boys that did it is 17 and if he is found guilty, will certainly be tried as an adult and hopefully given the death penalty. The other boy was 14 though..

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yeah it sucks and there's no way to have prevented it.

 

[Paratus]

I'm not a big fan if the death penalty. To much chance of an innocent person being killed. However I'm coming around in this particular case.

 

[Agent11]

Hang them high.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

This just makes me sick. Worse is that I was skeptical of the story when I first heard it.

Just tragic.

 

[waggy]

well to be fair its hard not to be skeptical. who wants to beleive someone would just flat out shoot a baby because the mother had no money? its shocking.


it takes a special kind of evil to do that.

 

[Dari]

well to be fair its hard not to be skeptical. who wants to beleive someone would just flat out shoot a baby because the mother had no money? its shocking.


it takes a special kind of evil to do that.

It's not that they're evil. It's that they're teenagers. Teenagers' brains are not fully developed so they are capable of unspeakable crimes because their thought process is not mature. In fact, there is a chart out there that shows that people within the age group of 18-24 are the most violent people in the world. Ironically, that is the group that is legally allowed to have firearms. If you put everyone there then I would say 15-19 is the most violent group. When it comes to a teenager with a weapon, they will act without thinking so it's better to just give them what they want.

http://www.urban.org/publications/900403.html

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

well to be fair its hard not to be skeptical. who wants to beleive someone would just flat out shoot a baby because the mother had no money? its shocking.


it takes a special kind of evil to do that.

It's not that surprising to me. It's not an uncommon reality at all. They wanted money, didn't get it and gave a payback. They just happened to shoot a baby which is why you heard about it at all. If it were just her or only adults it wouldn't have been noticed.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's not that they're evil. It's that they're teenagers. Teenagers' brains are not fully developed so they are capable of unspeakable crimes because their thought process is not mature. In fact, there is a chart out there that shows that people within the age group of 18-24 are the most violent people in the world. Ironically, that is the group that is legally allowed to have firearms. If you put everyone there then I would say 15-19 is the most violent group. When it comes to a teenager with a weapon, they will act without thinking so it's better to just give them what they want.

http://www.urban.org/publications/900403.html

They don't care. I have teenagers and they know it's wrong to kill someone. Further guns are irrelevant to this crime.

 

[ichy]

It's not that they're evil. It's that they're teenagers. Teenagers' brains are not fully developed so they are capable of unspeakable crimes because their thought process is not mature.

Horseshit. Complete and utter horseshit moral midgetry. I don't expect teenagers to fully grasp the consequences of something tax fraud or counterfeiting but those of us who aren't sociopaths knew damn well that rape and murder were wrong when we were 15 or 16.

 

[ichy]

One of the boys that did it is 17 and if he is found guilty, will certainly be tried as an adult and hopefully given the death penalty.

Doesn't matter if he's tried as an adult, you can't get the DP if you're under 18. Stupid Supreme Court decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_v._Simmons

 

[NoStateofMind]

Yeah I'd agree that their brains aren't developed. I mean if you wanted money, and that's your only objective, what kind of moron tries to get it from a woman with a baby on a street rather than a bank? Idiots.

 

[Dari]

Horseshit. Complete and utter horseshit moral midgetry. I don't expect teenagers to fully grasp the consequences of something tax fraud or counterfeiting but those of us who aren't sociopaths knew damn well that rape and murder were wrong when we were 15 or 16.

You may know it's wrong but, at that age, are you thinking about the consequences? I doubt it. Anyway, the numbers speak for themselves.

They don't care. I have teenagers and they know it's wrong to kill someone. Further guns are irrelevant to this crime.

They may know it's wrong but they don't understand the severe consequences for the dead person's family or themselves. They aren't thinking long term, That is why they do stupid shit.

 

[ichy]

You may know it's wrong but, at that age, are you thinking about the consequences? I doubt it.

Your parents may have failed to raise you properly but I knew damn well at that age that shooting people was wrong.

 

[Smoblikat]

I didn't see that anyone had posted this yet:



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How terrible. :'(

One of the boys that did it is 17 and if he is found guilty, will certainly be tried as an adult and hopefully given the death penalty. The other boy was 14 though..

No need to give them the death penalty. Give me 10 minutes with both of them, I can be VERY creative with needles, pliers, a torch, and a razor.

 

[Moonbeam]

I just read this story and now I want these two fuckers dead. It must be my teenage brain that is undeveloped and can't think long term. I don't give a shit at all as to why this crime was committed, what they wanted the money for. I don't care if they needed it for drugs or Nikes or to buy food for a malnourished and dying baby brother their Mom told them she would put in the garbage if they didn't get her some money.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

They may know it's wrong but they don't understand the severe consequences for the dead person's family or themselves. They aren't thinking long term, That is why they do stupid shit.

So basically you're saying teenagers these days are brain dead idiots?? I understood the long term consequence of killing someone when I was 12 or 13. Doing stupid shit (ie pranks) is normal for teenagers, shooting someone is not. Shooting a baby in the face is nothing but pure evil no matter how you try to spin it.

 

[nehalem256]

Doesn't matter if he's tried as an adult, you can't get the DP if you're under 18. Stupid Supreme Court decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roper_v._Simmons

I am pretty sure that the ruling only applies to people. I think its pretty safe to say that someone who purposefully shoots a baby no longer classifies as a person.

Just find a vet to put them down.

 

[Agent11]

They should wait til they are 18 to charge them if that's what they have to do to get the death penalty. Charge them now for attempted robbery and assault, in a few years charge them with murder and execute their asses.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

They should wait til they are 18 to charge them if that's what they have to do to get the death penalty. Charge them now for attempted robbery and assault, in a few years charge them with murder and execute their asses.

You might need to brush up on basic legal practice. It's based on when the crime occurs, not when charged.

 

[Murloc]

it's horrible but it doesn't surprise me.
Violent street criminals like the ones in (or coming from) third world countries get started to violence when they're young, and since they're teen-agers they often have these self-affirmation things and stuff (trying to look bad ass and everything) and so they will do stuff like this without thinking it through, unlike mature gangsters who are violent but also avoid going to prison.
I heard stories of how people in those countries just don't give the same value to life as we do. They will just shoot somebody because the fact that they took the risk of robbing someone and then don't get what they want because they have no money ticks them off. Psycho stuff, but without mental illness, it's just how they are.

EDIT: I see that it's Georgia, US. Not really a third world country but I can't deny that it has many elements of one: social structure, plebeian violence, violent politics etc.

 

[Jaskalas]

I just read this story and now I want these two fuckers dead. It must be my teenage brain that is undeveloped and can't think long term.

Long term, they are a proven threat to society. You would either match our conclusion or see more fall to them.

I don't give a shit at all as to why this crime was committed, what they wanted the money for.

That's something to attempt to address for others.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's not that they're evil. It's that they're teenagers. Teenagers' brains are not fully developed so they are capable of unspeakable crimes because their thought process is not mature. In fact, there is a chart out there that shows that people within the age group of 18-24 are the most violent people in the world. Ironically, that is the group that is legally allowed to have firearms. If you put everyone there then I would say 15-19 is the most violent group. When it comes to a teenager with a weapon, they will act without thinking so it's better to just give them what they want.

http://www.urban.org/publications/900403.html

i'm sorry, but that's a cop-out. teenager's brains might not be fully developed, but you can bet your ass every teenager is going to know the difference between shooting a baby and not.

 

[Agent11]

You might need to brush up on basic legal practice. It's based on when the crime occurs, not when charged.

The supreme court said you cannot seek the death penalty for a minor, not that you cannot charge a minor for murder as an adult.

Once they are adults what is the difference? They are still being charged for 1st degree murder.

 

[Mai72]

I think I'm going to stay in South Korea! I'm actually afraid to come home. School shootings, baby shootings and high unemployment.