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umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: totalcommand
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Why hasn't Schaivo lost guardianship?

He shacked up with another woman and he has two kids.

Isn't there a conflict of interest here?

I'd like to know what's really driving this guy.

I want to know too. Why doesn't he just give the parents at least 6 months to pay themselves for all of her rehabilitation. If she doesn't show any difference at all after that time or any other improvements after tests are done, then allow her to go. This man is apparently hell bent on having her die ASAP without any more rehab at all.

Wrong. Rehab was attempted back in 1990. Doctors have said there is no further possible rehab, because her cerebral cortex is mostly replaced by spinal fluid. The brain doesn't spontaneously re-form.


The time-line is here:

http://www.terrisfight.org/timeline.html

1991

Apr - Terri's husband advised to move her to Gainesville Rehabilitation Center to receive advanced therapy to continue Terri's recovery.

Jul - Terri moved to Sable Palms Nursing Home

1993

Feb - Michael Schiavo denies recommended rehabilitation treatment.

Feb - Schiavo and Terri's parents have falling out regarding lack of therapy for Terri.

Nice "timeline" RIP, you get it off of Terri's Site? The same site that has been selectively editing court documents and reality?

Her parents moved in with them after Terri's accident and stayed for a couple of years. They only started making accusations when he refused to hand over some of the settlement money to them. Being a parent doesn't make you "good" and being a husband doesn't make you "bad".

Michael insisted on therapy and treatment for four years even though the doctors were telling him it was useless and that Terri would never recover. In 1994 he finally accepted the truth, that she would never recover. On the advice of her doctors he agreed to withhold treatment for infections and to put a DNR on her chart.

I admire him greatly for not selling his wife to the highest bidder and not leaving her at the mercy of her parents who have testified that they would NOT honor Terri's wishes even if she had told them directly and specifically that she didn't want a feeding-tube.

They don't care what Terri wanted. They care about what they want.

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
There's no innuendo. Just look at what he said in the malpractice trial.

Why didn't he take the $1M?

It would make him look like more of a cad than he's already demonstrated himself to be, wouldn't it?

Maybe he's looking for a bigger pay - book, movie rights, etc.

Who knows.


Certainly NOT you.
 

Riprorin

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This says it all about Michael Schiavo. The man is a bold faced liar.

Q: You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?

Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.
 

Jhhnn

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The truth? Political grandstanding, pandering and distraction from the far Right. Here's how Digby, a contributor at the Daily Kos, puts it-

"By now most people who read liberal blogs are aware that George W. Bush signed a law in Texas that expressly gave hospitals the right to remove life support if the patient could not pay and there was no hope of revival, regardless of the patient's family's wishes. It is called the Texas Futile Care Law. Under this law, a baby was removed from life support against his mother's wishes in Texas just this week. A 68 year old man was given a temporary reprieve by the Texas courts just yesterday.

Those of us who read liberal blogs are also aware that Republicans have voted en masse to pull the plug (no pun intended) on medicaid funding that pays for the kind of care that someone like Terry Schiavo and many others who are not so severely brain damaged need all across this country.

Those of us who read liberal blogs also understand that that the tort reform that is being contemplated by the Republican congress would preclude malpractice claims like that which has paid for Terry Schiavo's care thus far.

Those of us who read liberal blogs are aware that the bankruptcy bill will make it even more difficult for families who suffer a catastrophic illness like Terry Schiavo's because they will not be able to declare chapter 7 bankruptcy and get a fresh start when the gargantuan medical bills become overwhelming.

And those of us who read liberal blogs also know that this grandstanding by the congress is a purely political move designed to appease the religious right and that the legal maneuverings being employed would be anathema to any true small government conservative.

Those who don't read liberal blogs, on the other hand, are seeing a spectacle on television in which the news anchors repeatedly say that the congress is "stepping in to save Terry Schiavo" mimicking the unctuous words of Tom Delay as they grovel and leer at the family and nod sympathetically at the sanctimonious phonies who are using this issue for their political gain.

This is why we cannot trust the mainstream media. Most people get their news from television. And television is presenting this issue as a round the clock one dimensional soap opera pitting the "family", the congress and the church against this woman's husband and the judicial system that upheld Terry Schiavo's right and explicit request that she be allowed to die if extraordinary means were required to keep her alive. The ghoulish infotainment industry is making a killing by acceding once again to trumped up right wing sensationalism."

Honor, dignity morals and values- pandering to distraction all over the airwaves....
 

wiin

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Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
This says it all about Michael Schiavo. The man is a bold faced liar.

Q: You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?

Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.


The only bold faced liar is YOU RIP. You should be banned again for speading lies that you know to be untruths about someone you have never met. God has a special place for people like you RIP, it's called Hell. Enjoy your stay.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf
 

Robor

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Ugh, I'm so sick of all this Schiavo story. The people who should decide what happens to Terri are Terri first and her husband second. All you rightous outsiders who want to make/change laws to keep her alive are the same ones who want to tell a woman she can't have an abortion. You may not agree but you do not have the right to tell people what to do with their lives. :disgust:
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

So just because the all mighty Judge won't believe anyone but Micheal....everything else is BS??? You are sick.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

So just because the all mighty Judge won't believe anyone but Micheal....everything else is BS??? You are sick.

Hmm... seems like there's been what, 13 judges that side with Michael.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

So just because the all mighty Judge won't believe anyone but Micheal....everything else is BS??? You are sick.

Hmm... seems like there's been what, 13 judges that side with Michael.

That side with the Judge, not Micheal. Why should an astranged husband have the right to kill his wife??
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

So just because the all mighty Judge won't believe anyone but Micheal....everything else is BS??? You are sick.


Look in the mirror. Do you get a check every month written out to JUDGE? Until you do, STHU. 19 different judge tend to disagree with you.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: wiin
Heidi Law took care of Theresa Schiavo

I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them. Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and Olga would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so. We usually did this behind closed doors, we were so fearful of being caught. Our hearts would race and we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri.

And the judge in this case found this "information" to have no merit. Keep trying. Keep spreading the lies the RTL want to you spread. For the truth, if you so seek it, look here:

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/trialctorder02-00.pdf

So just because the all mighty Judge won't believe anyone but Micheal....everything else is BS??? You are sick.

Hmm... seems like there's been what, 13 judges that side with Michael.

That side with the Judge, not Micheal. Why should an astranged husband have the right to kill his wife??


Yep, they are ALL conspiring. Grow up. Here is the ruling of some more Liberal judges :roll:

http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/pub_...1-2678/Filed_02-13-2002_MotionStay.pdf
 

wiin

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Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.

Is that why he is living with another woman? So much for "...I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that." .
 

kogase

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Originally posted by: wiin
Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.

Is that why he is living with another woman? So much for "...I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that." .


So much for that indeed. He said that several years ago. In a stretch of time like that, in a situation like that, I would be surprised if he didn't change his outlook.
 

DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: wiin
Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.

Is that why he is living with another woman? So much for "...I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that." .
He waited five years and after all hope of any recovery was long gone before living with that other woman.

He visited Terri more often than the parents did, even after living with that other woman.

Also, scroll back a few pages, Riprorin has already covered all the ad hominem attacks against the husband, and against all the doctors and judges that agreed with his position.
 

Starbuck1975

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Is that why he is living with another woman? So much for "...I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that." .

Wedding vows extend "until death do us part." Terri has been dead for a long time now...what remains of his wife is only alive due to artificial means...her mind is jello pudding...she is never going to recover...there will be no miracle...and the only reason she faces death by starvation is because her parents utilized legal interference to make it so.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This says it all about Michael Schiavo. The man is a bold faced liar.

Q: You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?

Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.


The only bold faced liar is YOU RIP. You should be banned again for speading lies that you know to be untruths about someone you have never met. God has a special place for people like you RIP, it's called Hell. Enjoy your stay.

I hate to say this, but I absolutely agree with him. I bet you and Steeplerot will get a long just fine :p you're both going to the same place anyhow. ;)
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This says it all about Michael Schiavo. The man is a bold faced liar.

Q: You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?

Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.


The only bold faced liar is YOU RIP. You should be banned again for speading lies that you know to be untruths about someone you have never met. God has a special place for people like you RIP, it's called Hell. Enjoy your stay.

Umm....and you know the "truth" because the precious Judge says so? Despite the ignoring of other doctors and hospice workers words?? You are simply lying to yourself.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Riprorin
This says it all about Michael Schiavo. The man is a bold faced liar.

Q: You believe in your wedding vows, what do you mean by that?

Michael Schiavo: I believe in the vows I took with my wife, through sickness, in health, for richer or poor. I married my wife because I love her and I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that.


The only bold faced liar is YOU RIP. You should be banned again for speading lies that you know to be untruths about someone you have never met. God has a special place for people like you RIP, it's called Hell. Enjoy your stay.

Umm....and you know the "truth" because the precious Judge says so? Despite the ignoring of other doctors and hospice workers words?? You are simply lying to yourself.

Keep ignoring the 2 links I have given you that show not only his original ruling, but the Florida Supreme Courts ruling upholding it. As much as you would like to pass this off as some huge conspiracy, you gut feelings don't and thankfully will never trump the courts. You have no proof nor did her mother or father. Get over it and move on. I am.

I won't address you any longer since you refuse to read the rulings. Have a blissful life.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
Is that why he is living with another woman? So much for "...I want to spend the rest of my life with her. I'm going to do that." .

Wedding vows extend "until death do us part." Terri has been dead for a long time now...what remains of his wife is only alive due to artificial means...her mind is jello pudding...she is never going to recover...there will be no miracle...and the only reason she faces death by starvation is because her parents utilized legal interference to make it so.

She looks pretty alive to me.
 

Starbuck1975

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She looks pretty alive to me.

With no quality of life whatsoever...her husband is the only one legally authorized to make life and death decisions on her behalf...she has no chance of ever recovering...her "life" will consist of laying in a bed, unable to communicate, interact, or otherwise comprehend the world around her...in constant need of medical need...and for all intents and purposes, she has received a format c:/ on her mind...she is alive in the sense that yes she is living and breathing...that's about it.

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
She looks pretty alive to me.

With no quality of life whatsoever...her husband is the only one legally authorized to make life and death decisions on her behalf...she has no chance of ever recovering...her "life" will consist of laying in a bed, unable to communicate, interact, or otherwise comprehend the world around her...in constant need of medical need...and for all intents and purposes, she has received a format c:/ on her mind...she is alive in the sense that yes she is living and breathing...that's about it.

She does interact, and she could improve if she get the therapy she needs that's been withheld buy her "husband".

Since when does matrimony give you the right to kill your spouse?
 

Starbuck1975

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She does interact, and she could improve if she get the therapy she needs that's been withheld buy her "husband".
By interaction you mean arbitrary reflect actions...there is no therapy available that can repair severe brain damage.

The bowl of jello I had for lunch interacts...I wouldn't want to marry it based on that.

Since when does matrimony give you the right to kill your spouse?
In cases like this, one spouse has the legal authority and obligation to speak on behalf of the other in the event of situations like this...we can't very well ask her what she wants, so her husband gets to decide.

You can't kill someone who is already dead...without the intervention of medical science and legal proceedings, she would have been worm food long ago.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Starbuck1975
She does interact, and she could improve if she get the therapy she needs that's been withheld buy her "husband".
By interaction you mean arbitrary reflect actions...there is no therapy available that can repair severe brain damage.

Since when does matrimony give you the right to kill your spouse?
In cases like this, one spouse has the legal authority and obligation to speak on behalf of the other in the event of situations like this...we can't very well ask her what she wants, so her husband gets to decide.

You can't kill someone who is already dead...without the intervention of medical science and legal proceedings, she would have been worm food long ago.

Matrimony does not give you the right to kill your spouse.

She needs to eat, just like you amd me. By your logic, babies would have been "worm food" as they also need to be fed. Feeding someone is hardly "the intervention of medical science".

Obviously, the ability or inability to feed oneself is a determiner of one's right to live or die.