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Terri Schiavo

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Originally posted by: AmdInside
Michael Schievo reminds me alot of Scott Peterson. Both men just think of themselves.

BEFORE ME the undersigned authority personally appeared CARLA SAUER IYER, R.N., who being first duly sworn, deposes and says: ... claims of mistreatment and injections, and that Terri talks to her ....
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The parents (and right-to-life activists) have dug up some self-deluded people like this, including their neurologist doctor who claimed to be a "Nobel prize nominee" and to have a treatment plan that would rehabilitate Terri.

The only problems are that the real Nobel nominees are kept secret, and he could supply no evidence to the court that he was a nominee or that there is any past success or even any accepted medical research behind his proposed treatment.

This case has been looked at over and over in the Florida courts, no credible evidence has ever been produced to show Terri Schiavo is not in a vegetative state.
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I think this is a stupid argument. Who cares whether the doctor was a Nobel Prize nominee or not? That has no bareing on whether what is going on right now with Terri Schiavo is ethically okay or not.
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The point is that the doctor the parents found is possibly lying about his credentials (making up a prestigious award to seem more competent) and claiming he can produce treatment results that no other doctor can. These claims being untrue (and he could produce no evidence for them) speaks to whether you should trust his other statements about the condition of Terri.
 
Okay, thanks for clarifying. I still fail to see how this should be an argument or not. Think about this. We're arguing whether a guy or not really can save a lady from dying. The options are, let her die, or try to save her. If your mentality was this way about everyone in this type of situations, only a hand-full of people who make it to the hospital who have serious injuries would survive. As well, should we let anyone who has the possibility of dying die if the doctor who wants to perform the task isn't a nobel prize winner? This seems to be the direction you are taking.
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Okay, thanks for clarifying. I still fail to see how this should be an argument or not. Think about this. We're arguing whether a guy or not really can save a lady from dying. The options are, let her die, or try to save her. If your mentality was this way about everyone in this type of situations, only a hand-full of people who make it to the hospital who have serious injuries would survive. As well, should we let anyone who has the possibility of dying die if the doctor who wants to perform the task isn't a nobel prize winner? This seems to be the direction you are taking.
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Should we trust the credibility and truthfulness of someone who makes fantastic claims about his credentials? Nobody is saying that only Nobel prize winners should be trusted to practice medicine. Some of us think that someone who lies about his credentials and also states that someone can recover function when CAT scans prove that she HAS NO BRAIN LEFT should not be allowed to practice medicine, let alone be trusted to give sound medical advice.
 
And then someone else will appeal saying you were not in the correct state of mind.
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Isn't the point of a will that it pretty much can't be appealed as long as the person making the decisions is of "sound mind and body?" Had a sitiation in my family several years ago when my Grandmother died. She had two sons, my Dad and Uncle, they were set to get half of the estate when she died. My uncle's wife was (is) a pscho who'd never worked a day in her life and everyone suspected she'd force my uncle to sell the land, then divorce him for the money. My grandmother had the will re-written so the land passed directly to my cousins, bypassing my uncle entirely.

When my Grandmother died several years later, my aunt found out of course, freaked out, and spent a lot of money trying to get the will overturned - it never was.
 
Originally posted by: AmdInside
Michael Schievo reminds me alot of Scott Peterson. Both men just think of themselves.
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That nurse was on FOX this moring. She said she called the cops because she though M. Schiavo injected Terri with insulin (said she found needles and Terri was in a odd medical state). She contact the hospital administrators and the police. No charges were filed and she lost her job because of this.

That speaks quite a bit about the person making these claims...
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Okay, thanks for clarifying. I still fail to see how this should be an argument or not. Think about this. We're arguing whether a guy or not really can save a lady from dying. The options are, let her die, or try to save her. If your mentality was this way about everyone in this type of situations, only a hand-full of people who make it to the hospital who have serious injuries would survive.
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Good God man! It's been 15 years!

As well, should we let anyone who has the possibility of dying die if the doctor who wants to perform the task isn't a nobel prize winner? This seems to be the direction you are taking.
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You don't get the point. He said he was a nominee. Clearly, he is not, nor could he produce any evidence. Courts have a little problem when people make claims and can't back that up. What are they supposed to believe?

Like I said above, it's been 15 years. That is by far more than enough time. As a matter of fact, my uneducated guess is that it's long passed time that any progress could be made, given what's left of brain matter has been in that state for so long. Let her go with some dignity.

 
Well, the 11th Circuit has declined to review the District Court's decision to leave the feeding tube out, and since the Supreme Court has already twice declined to review this case, I can't imagine the third time is the charm.

Amazingly, the Florida legislature are talking about passing yet another law to keep Terri alive - just when I think politicians couldn't get any lower or more mercenary, they find new ways to impress me . . .

 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Well, the 11th Circuit has declined to review the District Court's decision to leave the feeding tube out, and since the Supreme Court has already twice declined to review this case, I can't imagine the third time is the charm.

Amazingly, the Florida legislature are talking about passing yet another law to keep Terri alive - just when I think politicians couldn't get any lower or more mercenary, they find new ways to impress me . . .
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I haven't really read through the thread (this one or any of the others on the subject), but something just seems wrong to me when legislators want to pass a law that is in essence for the benefit of only one person. (Unless I'm missing something?)
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
so did the husband try to kill her?
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The 1990 trial found that her persistent vegetative state was caused by a heart attack suffered as a result of a potassium imbalance due to her severe bulimia. The doctors who have looked at her traumatic injuries have never conclusively decided whether they were caused by her fall, post heart-attack, or (as the anti-Michael Schiavo forces contend) by beating.
 
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