Term Limits....House & Senate

[Slick5150]

Michigan implemented term limits. 12 years later, it has made a bad system completely broken. Nobody knows what they're doing, the lobbyists run EVERYthing, and at the end of the day, nothing gets done that needs to get done (including pass a budget to avoid government shutdowns every other year).

Term limits is one of those ideas that sounds like a good idea until you actually see it in practice.

 

[Craig234]

Michigan implemented term limits. 12 years later, it has made a bad system completely broken. Nobody knows what they're doing, the lobbyists run EVERYthing, and at the end of the day, nothing gets done that needs to get done (including pass a budget to avoid government shutdowns every other year).

Term limits is one of those ideas that sounds like a good idea until you actually see it in practice.

Where do I send the check?

 

[bob4432]

The naivete is boggling. "Fresh" people. Fresh, unknown, selected by the party for their wilingness to do what the party tells them to on behalf of the party's donors.

The good ones? Henry Waxman, Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich, Pete Stark, Barbara Lee, Lynn Woolsey, John Conyers, Patrick Leahy, Marcy Kaptor, for a start.

so fresh is bad for the country? well i guess you are correct as obama was a "fresh, unknown" and look what he has done. couldn't have done much worse that him, so i guess you are correct, fresh is bad for the country. guess i am so naive....

 

[Craig234]

so fresh is bad for the country? well i guess you are correct as obama was a "fresh, unknown" and look what he has done. couldn't have done much worse that him, so i guess you are correct, fresh is bad for the country. guess i am so naive....

You might argued that, but the country had 4 years to get to know Obama and the presidential election is a long period of examination.

What we're talking about here are new unknown legislators all the time who are carefull selected by party operatives to be the party-backed canadiates, who owe the party not the voters.

Who the public says who the hell are you and the candidate says why answer, they don't need your vote, and they do as the party wants.

Yes, we already see some f that with Obama - the guy who gets the most Wall Street mney wins the election and finds himself juggling populist talk against the banks with suspicions of his sering the donors.

You want to make it so that the politicians are not splitting the two and are pretty much corporate lackeys more than now.

 

[EXman]

We have term limits right now, its called the ballot box.

That's Bullshit. Most Americans vote for the least sleazy candidate. I'm not voting between a shit and a turd. Flush 'em down. 3rd partys are stuck in neutral until the last 2 rounds of elections. Virginia, New Jersey and now Mass. People are going away from both political parties in droves as others I think the Teaparty has traction but they really need to just take over the Republican party as the moderates those wishy washy Dem-lites neo-cons have ran it into the ground. A 3rd party candidate is a hard sell against corperate america funded candidates with the usual R's and D's behind thier name. Heck in KY we have Mitch McConnell and he's so powerful people keep voting for him. Do we like him? Naw he still money grabs just as much or more than others in the senate.

Hell Sen. Spector turned into a Dem just to stay a viable candidate.

Can we get a George Washington Candidate? I'd settle with an improved younger Fred Thompson. Too bad Scott Brown had to go on all wierd and pimp his hot daughters. He was quite likeable up until then.

Really Term Limits would be a dose of humble pie both parties richly deserve imo.

 

[EXman]

Michigan implemented term limits. 12 years later, it has made a bad system completely broken. Nobody knows what they're doing, the lobbyists run EVERYthing, and at the end of the day, nothing gets done that needs to get done (including pass a budget to avoid government shutdowns every other year).

Term limits is one of those ideas that sounds like a good idea until you actually see it in practice.

That is Michigan run by the centralized socialist dems gov't. You can stagger the elections some to make sure their is a little continuity.

 

[Craig234]

That's Bullshit. Most Americans vote for the least sleazy candidate. I'm not voting between a shit and a turd. Flush 'em down. 3rd partys are stuck in neutral until the last 2 rounds of elections. Virginia, New Jersey and now Mass. People are going away from both political parties in droves as others I think the Teaparty has traction but they really need to just take over the Republican party as the moderates those wishy washy Dem-lites neo-cons have ran it into the ground. A 3rd party candidate is a hard sell against corperate america funded candidates with the usual R's and D's behind thier name. Heck in KY we have Mitch McConnell and he's so powerful people keep voting for him. Do we like him? Naw he still money grabs just as much or more than others in the senate.

Hell Sen. Spector turned into a Dem just to stay a viable candidate.

Can we get a George Washington Candidate? I'd settle with an improved younger Fred Thompson. Too bad Scott Brown had to go on all wierd and pimp his hot daughters. He was quite likeable up until then.

Really Term Limits would be a dose of humble pie both parties richly deserve imo.

More naivete. Sure, you can have a George Washington candidate, You won't vote for him. You think you will. You won't. Because part of your naivete is not udnerstanding the marketing system.

 

[EXman]

More naivete. Sure, you can have a George Washington candidate, You won't vote for him. You think you will. You won't. Because part of your naivete is not udnerstanding the marketing system.

Don't speak of marketing. I'm not watching American Idol. I don't look at the shiney front of the packaging. I'm tilting it on it's side to read the ingredients to see what is really in the box.

You assume to much.

 

[Craig234]

Don't speak of marketing. I'm not watching American Idol. I don't look at the shiney front of the packaging. I'm tilting it on it's side to read the ingredients to see what is really in the box.

You assume to much.

Oh, I'm not saying you would fall for the shallow stuff. You assume you would ever hear Washington's name.

You would vote for a man who owns slaves and is a heavy horserace gambler?

What's so great about him, what would he do about healthcare costs, the deficit, gay marriage? At least we know one thing, he was against torturing enemy prisoners - as every candidate says they are.

The fact you are enamored with him, when his times were so different we can't tell his approach now, suggests marketing has more an influence on you than you admit. You ask for a storybook figure.

 

[cubby1223]

Oh, I'm not saying you would fall for the shallow stuff. You assume you would ever hear Washington's name.

What's so great about him?

He is better than progressives. He is better than Chairman Mao that your type seems to admire just a tad too much.

Your flaw still be that you just assume it is government's duty to solve all of life's problems.

 

[Craig234]

He is better than progressives.

First you don't understand the post. Secod, had I actually bee asking what you think:

Craig: What's so great about him?
Cubby: He's great.

Another non-answer.

He is better than Chairman Mao that your type seems to admire just a tad too much.

And the right continues its 100% rate of lying about my position when it tries to state it.

Add another lie.

You must mean Mao, the crazy, mass-murdering tyrant?

Your flaw still be that you just assume it is government's duty to solve all of life's problems.

I don't expect it to make you less clueless.

 

[Moonbeam]

We have the best government money can buy. The people who matter own it and it will stay that way right up to the day they destroy it.

 

[Slick5150]

That is Michigan run by the centralized socialist dems gov't. You can stagger the elections some to make sure their is a little continuity.

Um, no. The House and Senate are split (House is Dem controlled, Senate is Republican controlled). Up until 2006, both chambers were controlled by the Republicans.

But, you just go ahead and make insanely stupid sounding statements, facts be damned.

 

[StageLeft]

I don't see it likely those who would be under the rules of term limits actually voting them in. A non-starter.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is the same lunacy that suggests a third party as an answer.

There are a million answers. None of them will work because the American people are broken.

The reason nothing works is because of you. That's right, you.

 

[EXman]

Um, no. The House and Senate are split (House is Dem controlled, Senate is Republican controlled). Up until 2006, both chambers were controlled by the Republicans.

But, you just go ahead and make insanely stupid sounding statements, facts be damned.

Excuse me the anchor of your state is run by the reds... Detroit. Oh and The Governor's Palace. And that is where the blackhole where billions of dollars go to die to make non-competitive cars but great trucks.

Hey when people here about Michigan they think Detroit. I fell into that pitfall. Excuse me Mr. Perfect.

 

[bob4432]

You might argued that, but the country had 4 years to get to know Obama and the presidential election is a long period of examination.

What we're talking about here are new unknown legislators all the time who are carefull selected by party operatives to be the party-backed canadiates, who owe the party not the voters.

Who the public says who the hell are you and the candidate says why answer, they don't need your vote, and they do as the party wants.

Yes, we already see some f that with Obama - the guy who gets the most Wall Street mney wins the election and finds himself juggling populist talk against the banks with suspicions of his sering the donors.

You want to make it so that the politicians are not splitting the two and are pretty much corporate lackeys more than now.

4 yrs - um try at the most 1/2 that and that voting recording in the senate speaks for itself, but like most liberals/progressives you will say/think whatever is in your best interest, not others. again, you have made my point again.

and you say it would be worse, but what do you think obama was - just a corporate lackey - just a different corporation type, but corporate lackey nonetheless. craig you fail in this thread.

 

[nobodyknows]

It appears that the Republicans are bring back their "Contract with America" only this time they really mean it. Really.

 

[bfdd]

Why would we take your word, when you think Sen. Kennedy was so terrible and are uninformed about the good things he did?

We agree on one thing - the special interest money out of politics, which also benefits the system withot term limits.

Removing the 17th amendment is terrible as well.

It was put i for very good reasons to reduce corruption. Read a book sometime on how bad it was. It was another example of the fonding fathers' plan not working out as it got corrupted.

Want a real reform beside the money? Have states pass ranked voting, so people can vote 3rd party.

Removing the 17th amendment would be GREAT are you fucking kidding? We would actually get some people in the Senate with their states best interests in mind like what was originally planned. It would be a great thing to get more power back into the hands of the states and less into the hands of the federal government. People might actually pay MORE attention to their local elections if our state governments were picking our Senate representatives.

 

[Slick5150]

Excuse me the anchor of your state is run by the reds... Detroit. Oh and The Governor's Palace. And that is where the blackhole where billions of dollars go to die to make non-competitive cars but great trucks.

Hey when people here about Michigan they think Detroit. I fell into that pitfall. Excuse me Mr. Perfect.

What does a city have to do with how the state legislature works? I'm not talking about economic problems, I'm talking basic functionality of a legislative body to get ANYthing of value done. With our current term limited system, it doesn't happen. This would be true if Detroit was succeeding or not.

 

[hal2kilo]

It appears that the Republicans are bring back their "Contract with America" only this time they really mean it. Really.

Damn, I was thinking the same thing. Funny, once they got rid of all those term limited Democrats and got themselves in. Term limts? Not so much. Typical hypocrites.

 

[Zargon]

Why would we take your word, when you think Sen. Kennedy was so terrible and are uninformed about the good things he did?

well for starters

according to your posts here:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=29274960&posted=1#post29274960

he should have spent the last 30 years in Jail instead of the senate.


but to be on topic....

a lot of good points have been raised against term limits. but the assumption is of course, that we will always have freshman legislators around like in Michigan apparantly.

People running for Congress more times than not, are people who have already served in the state. No one is saying you cant servce in Congress after being a state senator

but if we add term limits, they need to fix campaign spending. my local city council seat and a low level state house seat are up for grabs, and basically NO ONE is running. the cost estimates to run a barely functioning campaign is astounding because its now all mass media related and costs a ton. I dont have 150K to spend on a campaign for a state house seat for like 2 years WITHOUT getting into bed with lobbyists.

You cut the funding, all of a sudden TV time for campaign ads should get alot cheaper cuz no one would be buying it.

Hell its 5 figures estimate to run for my city council here in a relatively smaller community(40k people, 150k in the county)

 

[Craig234]

Zargon, one other thing to remember, you know who opposes taking big corporate money out of the system? The media. It's huge profits in the billions for them.

 

[Craig234]

Removing the 17th amendment would be GREAT are you fucking kidding? We would actually get some people in the Senate with their states best interests in mind like what was originally planned. It would be a great thing to get more power back into the hands of the states and less into the hands of the federal government. People might actually pay MORE attention to their local elections if our state governments were picking our Senate representatives.

Learn your history why it was passe and how badly it worked.

 

[bob4432]

Damn, I was thinking the same thing. Funny, once they got rid of all those term limited Democrats and got themselves in. Term limts? Not so much. Typical hypocrites.

personally i want term limits for all - dems/repubs/independants