Yes, it's because the 80% are so abusive that the top 1% has half the wealth in the nation, that the bottom 80% over the last 25 years has received zero of the economy's growth after inflation while the top 1% doubled their income and the top 0.1% are up 500%; why the bottom 20% of people own 1% of the nation's wealth, most of which is their cars.
Bamacre ideology, meet facts. Facts, meet Bamacre ideology.
So the hell what? Give me 60% of the nation's income and I'll gladly pay 50% of the nation's taxes. You need to look at the larger picture of wealth, not only the income tax.
Seconded...
Term limits =All time rookie legislators too easily influenced by career lobbyists and/or full time legislative support staff who simply moves on to the next unsuspecting legislator when the fresh faces come in through the revolving door.
Legislative/parlimentary rules degrade because people are too new to know them inside out and if you have to depend on someone else who is not a legislator to interpret them for you how do you know if he/she isnt manipulating the interpretation?
When you have an awesome president or legislator who performs well ... has a long term project thats not quite finished and hes up against a term limit then what ?
And if I had 3 kidneys, I'd gladly give one away. About as relevant.
Interesting how the liberals feel that a rookie President is somehow going to be a great man, but a rookie legislator among 500 peers can't do his job properly.
umbrella39
Lifer
- Jun 11, 2004
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The Democrats are about to sweep into power so the lame on the right suddenly are getting religion. All the backward assholes they had in the Congress and Senate will disappear and people of the 21 century will replace them. Better limit their terms.
You folk are so transparent it isn't even funny.
California did this and everything is now an even worse disaster.
You folk are so transparent it isn't even funny.
California did this and everything is now an even worse disaster.
Sorry ... that argument doesnt apply..
How many presidents do you know that were not once either A member of the house of Reps, a Senator, A State Governor or Military General with International Wartime experience?
On the other hand ... While this is rapidly changing ... its not unheard of to be a simple business man/doctor /plumber who decides to run for a legislative post and get it.
Explanation.. You typically have to have SOME sort of experience or prior office to be president in this day and age and possess the skillset to adapt quickly. Every newly elected president is a rookie in the office (unless you were a VP who got Elected to Pres) and as a result he brings his "support staff with him/her when they take office. Also, There is a transition team created where the previous and the new administration gets all the kinks worked out. On the other hand ... If your a Rep and even worse ... a state legislator ... your on your own apart from a few cursory explanation of the house rules and a tour.
Well, our current President (according to the left) held a ceremonial governor position for 6 years, and he was able to dominate experienced Congressional Democrats for the next 8. Our probable next President has 4 years as the junior senator in which he authored 2 very minor pieces of legislation.
You don't think Congressmen have support staffs? Plus, they're dumped on committees of expertise, so they don't have to know anything.
The executive dominates the legislative not through superior political acumen, but by virtue of the way the system works. As the government expands, the legislature becomes weaker. Period.
misle
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- Nov 30, 2000
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While we're implementing term limits, can we repeal the 17th Amendment?
It would be nice for the States to actually have some power instead of being pushed around by the ever expanding Federal government.
It would be nice for the States to actually have some power instead of being pushed around by the ever expanding Federal government.
Zorba
Lifer
- Oct 22, 1999
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Personally, I think that there should be more than 1 D and 1 R on the ballot for congress each cycle. Problem is it is very hard for a sitting congressman to loss in the primary. Then to throw the bastard out you have to vote for someone from the other party, which a lot of people are unwilling to do.
There is some truth to that, partially because Congress insists on offloading everything onto executive agencies, partially because they're idiots, and partially because they want to wash their hands of anything controversial to offload the blame.
I don't see much relevance in political experience.
The reason why the executive dominates doesn't have much to do with Congressional laziness or idiocy, it has to do with the fact that the executive dominates the agencies of government. He who controls the information controls the government. Where does the legislature get their input on economic matters? The treasury department, an executive agency. Where did Congress get their info for the Iraq war? DIA and the CIA, both executive agencies. Before WW2, the executive branch was not particularly large, but nowadays it is colossal. With such size comes significant power.
When you have long term senators and congressmen, they develop counterbalancing centers of power to combat the entrenched and now inherent power of the executive. This is vital to the continuance of our democracy. I for one strongly advocate for the constitutional neutering of the executive, as it currently is utterly out of control. Beyond out of control. Failing that though, we need to keep hold of the little power that the other branches still have left. Term limits are an awful idea in this respect. Considering how weak Congress already is, do we really want it any weaker?
In my opinion, seriously not hyperbole, most 12 year olds have got a lot more sense to discuss politics than you do.
The old saying about trying to teach a pig to sing comes to mind. I"m wasting my time saying anything to you.
How is that different than it is now? The lobbyists know they only need to contact a few influential people and their needs are met. Do you really think Ted Stevens, Robert Byrd, et al are really in touch with their communities?
In VA, the governor can run for one 6 year term...and its been rated as one of the best managed states in the country. (This is what the founding fathers envisioned).
Umm...look at Rudy Giuliani in NYC. Now Bloomberg is trying to stay beyond two terms (after being against changing term limits in 2001).
I really would like to see realistic term limits. Something like 2 terms per senator and 6 terms per house member.
Throckmorton
Lifer
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What do you mean "do nothing"? They vote on bills, that's their job, and sometimes the way they vote loses. They aren't a damn work crew.
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