Term Limits for the House/Senate

MikeyLSU

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I am all for term limits as I am getting sick of career politicials that do nothing. I think having fresh blood woul be great for the system. If the president can't serve more than 8 years why should the rest of these idiots?

Our contry has become to complacent and sitting politicians win far too easily because people don't want to vote for the new guy.
 

Slick5150

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As someone that has seen what term limits have done to the state legislature here, I am totally opposed to it. Its allowed the lobbyists to run EVERYthing (since they know more about everything than the constantly new legislators do). Its FAR worse than it was before term limits.
 

Kirby

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If you're tired of your Congressman doing nothing, don't vote for them again.
 

winnar111

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To get people like Byrd, Stevens, and Ted Kennedy out of Congress? Absolutely.

12 years each house. Maybe 18.
 

MikeyLSU

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Originally posted by: winnar111
To get people like Byrd, Stevens, and Ted Kennedy out of Congress? Absolutely.

12 years each house. Maybe 18.

I'd say 12 or 18 total. If you do 4 in the House, then you can only do 12 in teh Senate or something like that.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: winnar111
To get people like Byrd, Stevens, and Ted Kennedy out of Congress? Absolutely.

12 years each house. Maybe 18.

/agree

5 terms in the house, 3 in the senate seems about right.
 

Thump553

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Abolish the seniority rules would do a whole lot more than getting rid of term limits. People like Ted Stevens remain in power because their seniority makes them so heavily connected they can get what they want, pretty much.

Abolish seniority and the people will eventually vote out ineffective legislators.
 

Craig234

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Term limits are a disastrous idea. They would destory the power of the people to have the sort of competent powerful representation that long experience provides.

Henry Waxman has the expertise to expose government wrongdoing after government wrongdoing, which he now does as the chairman of the oversight committee. Ted Kennedy, despite the partisan hatred posted above, is widely recognized as one of the best Senators in office with decades of experience. One of the most eloquent speakers against the war in Iraq was Robert Byrd. My Congressman Pete Stark often fights the tough battles and voted against the bailout with pork and without.

When all the faces are relatively new, the bureacracy and administration can get away with murder compared to the status quo. It's not that the status quo doesn't have big problems, but that term limits would do nothing to make them better and only make them worse. The power would shift to those who select who the'official' candidates will be, with all the compromises made before you ever get to vote on them.

It's a short-sighted fit to throw. What's really needed is the sort of reform to stop letting those with the most money have too much say in who gets elected.

Campaign Finance Reform, election reform, ranked voting systems are the right changes.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
As someone that has seen what term limits have done to the state legislature here, I am totally opposed to it. Its allowed the lobbyists to run EVERYthing (since they know more about everything than the constantly new legislators do). Its FAR worse than it was before term limits.

I posted before seeing your post, but thank you for saying the truth and supporting my points as well.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Thump553
Abolish the seniority rules would do a whole lot more than getting rid of term limits. People like Ted Stevens remain in power because their seniority makes them so heavily connected they can get what they want, pretty much.

Abolish seniority and the people will eventually vote out ineffective legislators.

amen.

peopel shoudl be able to vote for however they wish to, including that 97 year old who has been in the legislatiure for 60 years.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: MikeyLSU
I am all for term limits as I am getting sick of career politicials that do nothing. I think having fresh blood woul be great for the system. If the president can't serve more than 8 years why should the rest of these idiots?

Our contry has become to complacent and sitting politicians win far too easily because people don't want to vote for the new guy.

Term limits are a bad idea. They further weaken the legislature, which is already the weakest branch of government. It sounds great on the surface, but it is very bad in practice.
 

JS80

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Eh, it could backfire and create a culture of CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE and offer more freebies to voters in exchange for their votes, vs keeping the status quo during the good times.
 

miketheidiot

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keep in mind that while getting rid of the bad (there are alternate means to do this) you also get rid of the good effective legislators, there are much more effective things we can do to improve the legislature.

personally i would extend house terms to 4 years, so there isn't quite as much electoral bullshit to deal with. Furthermore i don't like that we vote for representatives by districts all too much.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

We all know that's not going to happen.

Term limits just came into effect this year here, we'll see how it pans out.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
keep in mind that while getting rid of the bad (there are alternate means to do this) you also get rid of the good effective legislators, there are much more effective things we can do to improve the legislature.

personally i would extend house terms to 4 years, so there isn't quite as much electoral bullshit to deal with. Furthermore i don't like that we vote for representatives by districts all too much.

It sounds like the things you don't like about the House of Representatives are what make it the House of Representatives. The House is supposed to represent the will of the common man, and so the member has to be swiftly accountable (in relative terms) for what they do. That's why the terms are 2 years.

Furthermore, the House is supposed to represent local constituencies. That's why you have districts, because each area is supposed to have someone looking out for it specifically. A lot of areas would be even more lost in the shuffle than they already are if House members were elected on a statewide basis.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

We all know that's not going to happen.

Term limits just came into effect this year here, we'll see how it pans out.

One goon out, one goon in.
 

woodie1

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Another vote for term limits.

Smarter voters would work but from what I've seen the voter mentality is moving downward.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

smarter voters will figure out 51% can steal from 49% through democracy. Try again.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

smarter voters will figure out 51% can steal from 49% through democracy. Try again.

Yeah, like that hasn't happened already.

And of course I didn't mean "smart" in that context.
 

heyheybooboo

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

We all know that's not going to happen.

Term limits just came into effect this year here, we'll see how it pans out.

One goon out, one goon in.

LOL

Let's toss out this Rascal and vote in that Rascal.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

smarter voters will figure out 51% can steal from 49% through democracy. Try again.

Our problem is 1% of citizens stealing from 80% of citizens.
 

winnar111

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: bamacre
We don't need term limits. We need smarter voters.

smarter voters will figure out 51% can steal from 49% through democracy. Try again.

Our problem is 1% of citizens stealing from 80% of citizens.

And yet that 1% pays the lions share of federal taxes.