Tension between the Sanders and the Clinton wings of the democratic party.....

[ivwshane]

Quite so. Sanders lost because the popularity within the democratic party is dictated by the rich. The system will not fix itself. Only when the realization there is no hope within party will there be the votes to change things. The Democratic party has lost the capacity to represent the American people and now represents the wishes of the rich. People who see that need either to change the party or create a new one that does. Democrats have become deaf to reality.

Lol. You just accused millions of voters who voted for Hillary over Bernie to be brainwashed by the rich.

You've completely regressed into your former self. Apparently any enlightenment one has that overcomes their CBD, is only temporary. My faith in humanity has dropped another notch.

 

[hal2kilo]

http://www.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f1eff2f9-1d3e-4530-846e-59edcf5578ae

Oh. Bangalors.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Lol. You just accused millions of voters who voted for Hillary over Bernie to be brainwashed by the rich.

You've completely regressed into your former self. Apparently any enlightenment one has that overcomes their CBD, is only temporary. My faith in humanity has dropped another notch.

Hillary was the familiar face, the comfortable Democrat. That she was "one of us" was of course nonsense but it didn't matter. She wined and dined the elite and was reward with vast fortune. That's fine, look at Republicans.

No, Dems weren't brainwashed, they picked the corporate favorite on purpose because they simply don't care. A yellow dog as long as it was Hillary. There's a saying, we get the government we deserve. We sure did and collectively the majority got what they asked for. Maybe not wanted, but asked for. Two divisionists. That has got to stop.

 

[ivwshane]

Hillary was the familiar face, the comfortable Democrat. That she was "one of us" was of course nonsense but it didn't matter. She wined and dined the elite and was reward with vast fortune. That's fine, look at Republicans.

No, Dems weren't brainwashed, they picked the corporate favorite on purpose because they simply don't care. A yellow dog as long as it was Hillary. There's a saying, we get the government we deserve. We sure did and collectively the majority got what they asked for. Maybe not wanted, but asked for. Two divisionists. That has got to stop.

Speaking of brainwashed. You keep repeating talking points.

 

[Jaskalas]

Someone younger was needed that could reach out and convince people, connect with people.

And that is what I hope we strive for today. A uniter who is not afraid to push forward.
And not just a person, it takes a movement to latch onto all the offices and seats across the nation. To win a new majority.

 

[Moonbeam]

Lol. You just accused millions of voters who voted for Hillary over Bernie to be brainwashed by the rich.

You've completely regressed into your former self. Apparently any enlightenment one has that overcomes their CBD, is only temporary. My faith in humanity has dropped another notch.

Oh dear, that is most unfortunate. Every time that happens to me it's because I've uncovered another aspect of my unconscious self hate, my own sense of hopelessness. I just thank my lucky stars I died to all hope long ago and out of that found, not faith in humanity, but the truth of who we really are. I don't have faith now you see, I have knowledge that within your faltering courage lies a super star. Well that you are. Buck up Bro.

By the way, I thought it was a well known fact that the population is brainwashed. How else did we get Trump? Surely he wasn't the product of reason.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Speaking of brainwashed. You keep repeating talking points.

Hillary lost to the only person that should have been able to beat no one, that is Trump. There are two nonexclusive possibilities. Either Trump is smarter than Hillary and their respective machines or the losers were wrong about their premises for support of her. So were the Dems wrong or just stupid? Maybe the Dems weren't dumb but the magnificent understanding of people that the Reps have but the Dems lack are responsible?

Is Trump really so superior to Democrats in understanding the electorate? It would seem so.

 

[Jaskalas]

Is Trump really so superior to Democrats in understanding the electorate? It would seem so.

He used dog whistles (China, Immigration) to prey upon the economically vulnerable. In before folks claim they don't exist.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He used dog whistles (China, Immigration) to prey upon the economically vulnerable. In before folks claim they don't exist.

Wait, economically vulnerable? That can't be. If it were Hillary wouldn't have dismissed them, she would have empathized with all in need. Yes that was sarcasm.

If the Dems want to lead they have to start before election time and go back to "all gods children". Emulating the Reps disgust of others will not save the day.

 

[Indus]

Never liked Hillary.

Never voted for Hillary once for Senate or in the primary.

Only voted for her in general because I thought Trump would be much worse.

 

[theeedude]

Bernie talks a lot about Socialism, but if anything, Clinton policies are more likely to get us there. The Achilles heal of Socialism is that it's unfriendly to entrepreneurship and business, causing productivity to collapse and there isn't enough prosperity to share. We need corporations to have incentives to invest in automation and increase economies of scale to drive the productivity necessary to sustain a quasi-socialist society. The side effect of this is that is increased unemployment, which is a political forcing function for Socialist policies like universal health care and basic income. Once most jobs are automated away through raw capitalism, the only viable society will be a socialist one. So ironically the best way to get to Socialism is through Capitalism, and the worst way is to follow Socialist politicians.

 

[iwertbg]

I think Bernie's message is more of economics than social equality. Not saying Bernie's not socially liberal, but he focusses his message on the broader economic impact on average person. That to an extent is why he polled well in the rust belt states. The DNC is focused more on the social liberal aspects and not so much on the economic side. IMO, that's why their message can't resonate beyond a certain demographic.

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[Moonbeam]

I think Bernie's message is more of economics than social equality. Not saying Bernie's not socially liberal, but he focusses his message on the broader economic impact on average person. That to an extent is why he polled well in the rust belt states. The DNC is focused more on the social liberal aspects and not so much on the economic side. IMO, that's why their message can't resonate beyond a certain demographic.

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I agree with this and feel that because the economic issues aren't addressed issues like women in the work place, immigration etc. all the secondary, in my opinion, issues of concern to liberals, fester in the state of fear the resulting insecurity produces. Fix the driver issue and that will fix the highway fatalities.

 

[Aikouka]

Unfortunately the fact that BLM does support police accountability is enough for many deplorables to oppose it as a natural reaction.

I think part of the problem is that when you talk about a subject that has a bit of a divide, you tend to ignore that there are two sides. So, typically, a politician will only discuss the part that matters to them, which only addresses part of the audience and completely shuts out the other. For example, imagine if this was part of a speech on increasing police accountability:

"Lately, we've seen a number of events involving law enforcement officials acting outside the purvey of the law and downright disrespecting the badge that they wear. Unfortunately, this has caused a loss of faith and even a sense of fear for the group that is supposed to help us feel safe. For those that are law enforcement or have love ones or friends in law enforcement, this can be extremely troubling for you. As mentioned, these unscrupulous officials have weakened the faith in the badge that you, your loved one or friend put your life on the line to serve. We don't wish to raise accountability to demonize the police. We are looking to help clear the dishonorable and help restore that faith and goodwill."

Now, you could make that a bit better, but I think it gets the point across. The idea is that you spell out the problem, which shows that you understand with the one side. However, you spend a little more time showing empathy toward the other side as they're the ones that need a bit more convincing. Ultimately, you're just showing them that you're not against them, but rather trying to help them.

Although, I'll be frank in that while what I wrote makes a lot of sense, it does have one problem... it reeks of being politically moderate. Unfortunately, while moderates are likely the best politicians to have as they're likely to work with any side, they usually don't pull in voters as well because they fail to pander to any side's strong belief.

 

[ivwshane]

Hillary lost to the only person that should have been able to beat no one, that is Trump. There are two nonexclusive possibilities. Either Trump is smarter than Hillary and their respective machines or the losers were wrong about their premises for support of her. So were the Dems wrong or just stupid? Maybe the Dems weren't dumb but the magnificent understanding of people that the Reps have but the Dems lack are responsible?

Is Trump really so superior to Democrats in understanding the electorate? It would seem so.

This is what I took issue with:

they picked the corporate favorite on purpose because they simply don't care

As far as you current post, I think the people who picked Hillary do indeed care, in fact I'd argue that they care alot more than other candidates who had no where near the comprehensive plans to address certain issues let alone the shear volumes of issues she had plans for. Considering how most people feel about her (they either hate her or like her with very little in between), I'd argue, for our against her, people tended to care either way.

Hillary lost for many reasons all of which would have destroyed any other candidate. She lost because she didn't have a message that connected with the people (those who vote on what feels good, ie most of Bernie and trump supporters). She lost because she lacked the charisma and ability to spin negatives into positives like most well seasoned politicians can do. She lost because she played trumps game of attacking your opponent because he's such an easy target but she forget to make the election about her and her policies and how they would help people (she's a doer not a promoter). She lost because of decades old negative propaganda against her and via propaganda spewed by Russian trolls. She lost because of irregular FBI behavior regarding an investigation that ultimately lead no where. She lost because trump had a superior electoral college strategy.

And I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons as well.