Tennessee can now discriminate...

[Ape]

So appears that gay, lesbian and transgendered people can discriminate against those who are straight or unigendered.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I would agree, but this is a matter of the state imposing its anti-discrimination rules on cities/counties. The state dictating the discrimination policies of private companies is more egregious than cities/counties doing so.

Why don't you understand? You want to push your beliefs and lifestyle on to other people. It's what you are doing by making misleading thread titles and making half truth statements in your defense.
Why is it ok for you to push your beliefs on to people, but if they push back, they are the ones in the wrong?
Or do you not beleive they should be able to make their own decisions?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No, you're the one who's dumb. Right on Tennessee's Human Rights Commission website, it says that complaints cannot be filed for discrimination in either employment or housing on the basis of sexual orientation.



Wrong.

I apologize, I thought an executive order applied more broadly then it does. It does not force states to follow suit. I should have just left my original post and moved on(not that it'll be addressed anyway)

HOWEVER, your title is still false. And no one cares what HRC says. They are nothing but another advocacy group doing more harm for their supposed cause than good.

 

[p0nd]

As a proprietor why shouldn't one be allowed to discriminate? Is it not a free country? Freedom of association and all that?

I don't mind gays at all. Have a good pharmacist friend that's gay. But I would not make his employer hire him if he did not want to.

If you run a business that excludes a certain group (latino, jewish, black, whatever) from your services, you are actively curtailing the freedoms of others. I'm not sure why people think they're the ones being oppressed if they aren't allowed to oppress others. How can it be a free society if the wants of the majority override the needs of the minority; if a group of people is specifically denied certain services and privileges that are allowed to others, on the basis of ethnicity, religion, or orientation? A society where only a certain class of people is "free" is not a free society.

But let's say the government didn't touch private businesses and only applied discrimination laws to public institutions. Businesses that only served specific segments of the population would find themselves competing at a loss vs. businesses that served everyone. This sort of "discrimination fee" would discourage such practices (though IMO its rather naive to expect it would work that way in all places). But in general you would expect businesses to serve all equally in order to remain relevant and competitive, especially considering the direction of civil rights and equality for the last half century.

 

[zsdersw]

I apologize, I thought an executive order applied more broadly then it does. It does not force states to follow suit. I should have just left my original post and moved on(not that it'll be addressed anyway)

HOWEVER, your title is still false. And no one cares what HRC says. They are nothing but another advocacy group doing more harm for their supposed cause than good.

No, the title is not false. Tennessee can (continue to) discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

 

[Throckmorton]

I apologize, I thought an executive order applied more broadly then it does. It does not force states to follow suit. I should have just left my original post and moved on(not that it'll be addressed anyway)

HOWEVER, your title is still false. And no one cares what HRC says. They are nothing but another advocacy group doing more harm for their supposed cause than good.

What does HRC have to do with anything? Tennessee passed a bill outlawing anti-discrimination laws... that's what this thread is about. Are you really that dumb?

 

[zsdersw]

Why don't you understand? You want to push your beliefs and lifestyle on to other people. It's what you are doing by making misleading thread titles and making half truth statements in your defense.
Why is it ok for you to push your beliefs on to people, but if they push back, they are the ones in the wrong?
Or do you not beleive they should be able to make their own decisions?

How is a thread title and any of my posts "pushing my beliefs and lifestyle onto other people"? I think you assign far too much importance to me and what I post.

 

[classy]

This seems like discrimination. I gotta read a lil more to understand this bill, but it does seem odd to pass a bill like this.

 

[rudder]

It's not a step forward at all. There are no state protections; sexual orientation/identity is not included in the THRA. Only the smallest scope of government (cities/counties) should have any legitimate ability to make rules in these matters... not the state.

So how does a company like Nissan deal with this? They are spread out in various municipalities? You showed statements from AT&T and Fedex... who have anti-discrimination policies in place. All this increasingly requiring of telling private businesses how to run their businesses is going to hurt the smaller businesses. Plus Tennessee is an at-will employment state. Even without this legislation and a municipality with anti-gay bias laws on the books... an employer can fire you without reason.

I know there was a high profile case recently concerning a soccer coach in nashville who was fired for an announced pregnancy with her partner. But in this case the coach signed the school's code of conduct clause which said there is to be no sexual behavior outside of marriage. Sure its draconian and not very Christian-like for the school to judge... but it is a private school and their policy is what it is. Don't like it... dont apply for a job there or don't send your kid there. Overall... there is not much of a discrimination problem in Tennessee... not so much we have to burden smaller businesses with more regulation.

Documentation?

Read the bill. Focus on the term transgender.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

What does HRC have to do with anything? Tennessee passed a bill outlawing anti-discrimination laws... that's what this thread is about. Are you really that dumb?

The OP brought up HRC.

No the bill says that all local gov't laws on this issue shall be limited to what the state law is.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No, the title is not false. Tennessee can (continue to) discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation.

Look, nothing changed regarding Tennessee. Your title is false. What changed was the limits for local gov'ts within Tennessee. Sheesh.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Damn...don`t you just love Tennessee,,,,

 

[zsdersw]

Look, nothing changed regarding Tennessee. Your title is false. What changed was the limits for local gov'ts within Tennessee. Sheesh.

Oh go cry some more, why don't you. My title is not at all false.

 

[zsdersw]

So how does a company like Nissan deal with this? They are spread out in various municipalities? You showed statements from AT&T and Fedex... who have anti-discrimination policies in place. All this increasingly requiring of telling private businesses how to run their businesses is going to hurt the smaller businesses. Plus Tennessee is an at-will employment state. Even without this legislation and a municipality with anti-gay bias laws on the books... an employer can fire you without reason.

I know there was a high profile case recently concerning a soccer coach in nashville who was fired for an announced pregnancy with her partner. But in this case the coach signed the school's code of conduct clause which said there is to be no sexual behavior outside of marriage. Sure its draconian and not very Christian-like for the school to judge... but it is a private school and their policy is what it is. Don't like it... dont apply for a job there or don't send your kid there. Overall... there is not much of a discrimination problem in Tennessee... not so much we have to burden smaller businesses with more regulation.

I agree that regulation of private businesses is burdensome, but the answer isn't to add burdens at the state level instead of at the city/county level.

Read the bill. Focus on the term transgender.

Watch this ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o2YGH8bacE

So the reason for this bill is entirely economic? Bullsh!t.

 

[soulcougher73]

Do you really want nothing but force of law stopping someone from discriminating against you?

I want to let people discriminate, I want to know who's racist, who's bigoted against homosexuals, or women etc. So I know not to give them a single cent of my money.

This. Cant believe im agreeing with this tard.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Do you really want nothing but force of law stopping someone from discriminating against you?

I want to let people discriminate, I want to know who's racist, who's bigoted against homosexuals, or women etc. So I know not to give them a single cent of my money.

If you couldn't find a job or got fired because your boss found out he doesn't like who you are and were now living on the street, you'd feel a bit differently about how you should be protected.

 

[woolfe9999]

This statute will likely be held unconstitutional by past precedent, see Romer v. Evans, wherein a similar law, this one an amendment to Colorado's Constitution which passed by slim popular vote, was struck down as violating the U.S. Constitution:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romer_v._Evans

- wolf

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Oh go cry some more, why don't you. My title is not at all false.

You are the one crying.. you started this thread to whine and now you don't like being called out on your false title? go figure.

 

[PokerGuy]

Oh go cry some more, why don't you. My title is not at all false.

Sure doesn't seem like he's the one crying...... just sayin'

 

[Fern]

materially misleading title

I think so too.

The law doesn't legalize any form of discrimination, just states local goverments can't pass new laws.

Logically, the word "now" is completely misleading because nothing has changed with regards to discrimintion allowed or outlawed. Existing state law still stands.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

Lets grant one group of people special treatment because they are same sex freaks.

 

[werepossum]

Do you really want nothing but force of law stopping someone from discriminating against you?

I want to let people discriminate, I want to know who's racist, who's bigoted against homosexuals, or women etc. So I know not to give them a single cent of my money.

I tend to agree, but in two different businesses I've heard the boss ask "You didn't hire that ni**er did you?" The effect on someone seeking a job may be very great if that's the only place hiring, versus the effect on the public which might be largely or completely hidden. If I see only a fraction of their employees or if it's a small company, I really have no idea if they are bigoted against anyone.

In general I'm pretty right to work though. Most people's sexual orientation is not going to be an issue at work; it's simply unlikely to come up during an interview. The sticking point for me would be the real flamers and, even more so, the transsexuals. If I have the right to not hire the guy with the greasy mullet and the White Power tattoo and the Confederate flag tee with the sleeves ripped off - and I definitely think I should have that right - should I not also have the right to not hire the guy with the spiked blue Mohawk and the multiple piercings and the Queer Nation tee shirt? If I don't hire the 6'-3" trannie dressed like Cher meets a Gabor sister that everyone is gawking at, should I really be open to a lawsuit for discrimination?

I'm fine with laws preventing discrimination in housing and public accommodation. I'm very cautious but hesitantly supportive of laws against discrimination in hiring, but I can definitely see problems with such laws as well as without them.

 

[senseamp]

Time to stop buying Nissans (and VW's soon to be built in TN)

 

[Sinsear]

Damn...don`t you just love Tennessee,,,,

It's a beautiful state.

Yagtbfop

 

[zsdersw]

Yagtbfop

I'm going to make more of these threads, just so I can see you b!tch about them like a baby.