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Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal

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xj0hnx

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Shift the current industry to the borders, have them deal with the trafficking.

I suppose the theory is that once it is decriminalized, you will then see less influence of cartels (inability to compete), so eventually, that established industry (DEA) would have to downsize.

How about, instead of eradicating the DEA, the branch becomes our primary border enforcement? Wouldn't this make everyone happy?
You'd have to legalize/at the very least decriminalize all drugs to get rid of the cartels influence, but that is a great idea. Expand the anemic Border Patrol, and FDA with no longer necessary DEA. I like it, they could even keep all their paramilitary gear!!!
 

ShawnD1

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You'd have to legalize/at the very least decriminalize all drugs to get rid of the cartels influence
True that. Ideally, the most hardcore drugs should be made by people who actually know what they're doing - drug companies. That leads to money going to companies and their army of lawyers instead of illegal drug cartels and their armies that are literally armies with machine guns and everything.

Putting it in the hands of chemists also makes it safer for everyone taking it. I don't think I've seen any cases where someone buys ibuprophen at Walmart and it ends up killing them because it was contaminated with meth, yohimbine, ephedra, or other weird shit that can cause issues. In the world of illegal drugs, that happens on a fairly regular basis. Something is too pure and it leads to overdose (heroin) or it's cut with something sketchy (cocaine cut with meth), or it's the wrong chemical altogether (PMPA instead of MDMA). When there's no quality control and no way to tell what you're getting, dangerous drugs become extremely dangerous drugs. A lot of people got really messed up by drinking home made alcohol during alcohol prohibition. People still get messed up by drinking legal alcohol, but it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the past.
 

zinfamous

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You'd have to legalize/at the very least decriminalize all drugs to get rid of the cartels influence, but that is a great idea. Expand the anemic Border Patrol, and FDA with no longer necessary DEA. I like it, they could even keep all their paramilitary gear!!!
pretty much...and I don't see that happening :\

Fact is, MJ isn't much of a money-maker for them, anyway. Far too much cost (needs land to grow and cultivate, people to maintain/guard these fields, and the local competition).

Meth is, by far, the largest money maker for today's cartels (cocaine is also far too expensive), and can pretty much be made anywhere with very few resources.

Good luck getting amphetamines legalized in this country, though.
 

ShawnD1

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Good luck getting amphetamines legalized in this country, though.
Which is hilarious because the people fighting amphetamine the most are the people buying it. Aiden is doing well in math but he doesn't enjoy it? We'll put him on Adderall for 10 years. Lower class kid takes Adderall one time then goes snowboarding? KILL HIM NOW!

On a totally unrelated note, I'm curious what percentage of people actually should be on ADHD medication. Almost every financial meltdown is caused by people doing dumb shit and not running the numbers. Mortgage terms and conditions are 5 pages long? Oh god I can't pay attention for that long. Let's just sign it and leave.
 

fskimospy

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Isn't that what the government officially advocates? Fairly recently, there was a batch of ecstasy pills contaminated with PMPA, and the Edmonton police refused to say what the contaminated batch looked like. This is absolute 100% proof that the government supports mass murder. They made no attempt to reduce the damage done by this batch.

Russia has a similar approach. Rather than treatment or rehabilitation, they put very extreme punishment on drug related crimes. As a result, the spread of HIV and hepatitis in Russia is extremely high. How do they respond? Fuck those people. We don't care if millions die from HIV. They chose drugs and that's why they should all die.
lol. You are either trolling or are in need of immediate psychological evaluation. You are acting like a psychopath.
 

xj0hnx

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True that. Ideally, the most hardcore drugs should be made by people who actually know what they're doing - drug companies. That leads to money going to companies and their army of lawyers instead of illegal drug cartels and their armies that are literally armies with machine guns and everything.
pretty much...and I don't see that happening :\
Funny enough, if they opened up pharmaceuticals to some kind of controlled recreational use there would be almost no heroin/cocaine/meth market since they all have pharmaceutical versions already.

Fact is, MJ isn't much of a money-maker for them, anyway. Far too much cost (needs land to grow and cultivate, people to maintain/guard these fields, and the local competition).

Meth is, by far, the largest money maker for today's cartels (cocaine is also far too expensive), and can pretty much be made anywhere with very few resources.
It also has a lot of mass per it's cost, you'd need like ten+ kilos of weed to make the same as one kilo of dope, coke, or meth.

Good luck getting amphetamines legalized in this country, though.
Which is hilarious because the people fighting amphetamine the most are the people buying it. Aiden is doing well in math but he doesn't enjoy it? We'll put him on Adderall for 10 years. Lower class kid takes Adderall one time then goes snowboarding? KILL HIM NOW!
Yippers, amphetamines are already legal, and available, a stronger legal pharm version of meth would be easy peasy, might even be able to help them keep their teeth in their heads.
 

ShawnD1

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lol. You are either trolling or are in need of immediate psychological evaluation. You are acting like a psychopath.
You know the situation is bad when someone reports facts and it's immediately labelled as trolling. There's no way the government could actually be as horrible as what I posted, right? Wrong.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/21/us-russia-hiv-idUSTRE7BK12X20111221
But even though the number of new HIV infections in Russia jumped 10 percent over 2011, health workers and global HIV authorities say Moscow has not honored that promise [to fund harm-reduction programs].

This is not due to a lack of cash - Russia is doubling its budget for HIV in 2012 from 2010 levels. At issue is how it will use the funds. From next year, no money will go to such internationally recognized efforts as needle exchanges. None has ever gone to heroin substitution: the Russian authorities oppose it. Moscow doesn't believe these approaches help slow the spread of HIV/AIDS.

"Working on drug dependency is more effective than needle exchange and methadone programs," said Alexei Mazus, who heads the Moscow Centre for HIV/AIDS Prevention, one of around 100 such venues across the country run by the health ministry.

In areas where needle exchanges have taken place, he said the health ministry had seen new HIV cases increase, not fall. Russia's health ministry said last year it had evidence that HIV rates have tripled in areas where foreign-run needle exchange programs were running.

The United Nations says so-called "harm reduction" programs - needle exchanges, and using methadone as a substitute for heroin - are effective in slowing the spread of HIV. Methadone reduces the risk of infection by dirty needles because it can be swallowed, rather than injected.

A major WHO study found HIV rates fell more than 18 percent in cities with needle exchanges, while they rose 8 percent in areas that did not have them. The British and U.S. governments both approved needle exchanges in recent drug policies drafted to combat HIV. But in Russia's drug strategy for 2010-20, heroin substitutes are banned.

Projects such as giving drug users and sex workers clean needles, HIV awareness training and medication have been funded by the United Nations in Russia for the last seven years. Next year that funding comes to an end and with it, so will most of these schemes.

Some health workers and global HIV authorities are angered and baffled by Russia's approach, which they say will only aggravate the problem.

"When a few programs were funded and running it was then difficult to see how things could get worse. Now we know," Damon Barrett, a senior human rights analyst at Harm Reduction International in London, told Reuters.
So there you have it. Absolute 100% proof that the Russian government wants its citizens to die. Fund needle exchange programs to help reduce the spread of HIV and hepatitis? Nope, we want more hepatitis. Fund drug replacement programs to get people off drugs? Nope, we want them to die.
 

zinfamous

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Yippers, amphetamines are already legal, and available, a stronger legal pharm version of meth would be easy peasy, might even be able to help them keep their teeth in their heads.
I see your point, but if it were easy peasy, then why, in today's climate, am I an assumed criminal because I need to pick up a blister pack of Sudafed?

:colbert:
 

fskimospy

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You know the situation is bad when someone reports facts and it's immediately labelled as trolling. There's no way the government could actually be as horrible as what I posted, right? Wrong.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/21/us-russia-hiv-idUSTRE7BK12X20111221

So there you have it. Absolute 100% proof that the Russian government wants its citizens to die. Fund needle exchange programs to help reduce the spread of HIV and hepatitis? Nope, we want more hepatitis. Fund drug replacement programs to get people off drugs? Nope, we want them to die.
It has nothing to do with whether or not the Russian government wants people to die, I have no clue why you even brought it up.

You have said that you want people to die for using drugs. That's psychopathic.
 

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