Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Ignore these people telling you to just stick with it.
You need to speak out and stand up for rationality. How will we ever rid society of this worthless thing we know as religion if people will not stand up when they reach the age of reason?
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Kalvin00
Ignore these people telling you to just stick with it.
You need to speak out and stand up for rationality. How will we ever rid society of this worthless thing we know as religion if people will not stand up when they reach the age of reason?
That doesn't sound so rational, does it now? :roll:
Originally posted by: RichardE
Eat it until you hit 18, move away to college and than blame the outside world on it.
Or cause a massive family disrupt so you can assert your independence early in life. One of the big things you find out when you grow up, and usually only as a result of doing the first action, is holding your tongue and your thoughts for a while is not a bad thing.
Originally posted by: daniel1113
What's irrational about speaking out against the lies and bullshit that have permeated through human societies for thousands of years?
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
That's partly what I've been thinking. Once I graduate from high school, I could move out and rent a small place with some roommates (even though the University of Utah is only like a 10 minute drive from my house, in which most people would ideally live at home during college).
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Yep, you're 16. You know it all.
Oops, I forgot. I'm only 16 and therefore I have nothing intelligent to say. My bad.
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
First of all, please realize that you just illustrated one of my pet peeves. It's one of those stupid stereotypes that are forced upon a lot of us: "It's rap music, so it must be bad for you. You should stay away from it because it talks about horrible things and degrading things that will give you bad ideas, because, you know, it's rap music".
It works kind of the same way as: "That person drinks alcohol, he must be bad. He's obviously made some poor decisions in life, because, you know, he drinks alcohol and he probably watches lots of porn and goes to strip clubs too."
I am not implying that I love to listen to rap and that I want to give into all my sexual urges. It's just the principle of how it's being presented to us. Also, don't think that it's only because of tight, far-reaching moral standards that I want to leave the church. When I said that there were things that bothered me, that includes some of the church's doctrine as well.
I won't go into huge detail on doctrine, but what Psynaut's sentence really hit the nail on the head.
Originally posted by: Psynaut
Mormons love to help others, but beneath this generosity is a really arrogant sense of moral superiority.
First of all, I'm not going to blame only mormonism for this "I'm better than you" mindset. In fact, I believe that part of Christianity at it's core is based on discrimination. "You're not Christian, so you're going to hell". Granted, the LDS church is a lot more discreet about this, so it's more like: "Mormons who remain true will go to this kingdom in the afterlife, and other people who have never learned the "true" gospel or who have never been a part of the church go to this place instead, and they have to go through this phase in the afterlife before they eventually get to this kingdom, and we must do baptisms for them if they hadn't already had a baptism in their mortal life, etc, etc etc".
What a lot of this basically leads to: The people, the members are one of the main reasons why I don't like the church. First of all, it's true that they are extremely nice and helpful people. But, they're kind of two faced, because I know that underneath everything - just like Psynaut said - they have that mindset which has their heads shoved so far up their proverbial ass.
Now imagine being surrounded by this type of people every sunday, and even everyday at school. See what I mean? These are one or two things that make me so bothered/uncomfortable. Ever seen "I Am Legend" or "The Invasion"? I feel like the protagonist in either one of those films.
Psynaut also mentioned about the church being repressive toward women... which I agree with. When the men somehow have this huge, important priesthood power, and the women are not allowed to be anywhere near that level, it just seems like we're embracing obsolete moral values.
Originally posted by: Calculator83
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
That's partly what I've been thinking. Once I graduate from high school, I could move out and rent a small place with some roommates (even though the University of Utah is only like a 10 minute drive from my house, in which most people would ideally live at home during college).
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Yep, you're 16. You know it all.
Oops, I forgot. I'm only 16 and therefore I have nothing intelligent to say. My bad.
It's true. No one can say for sure, but you have way too little life experience to handle the various seemingly insignificant situations.
Originally posted by: RichardE
Eat it until you hit 18, move away to college and than blame the outside world on it.
Or cause a massive family disrupt so you can assert your independence early in life. One of the big things you find out when you grow up, and usually only as a result of doing the first action, is holding your tongue and your thoughts for a while is not a bad thing.
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
That's partly what I've been thinking. Once I graduate from high school, I could move out and rent a small place with some roommates (even though the University of Utah is only like a 10 minute drive from my house, in which most people would ideally live at home during college).
Originally posted by: meltdown75
does your appetite for trolling know no limits? you're a sad person.Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
Yep, you're 16. You know it all.
16 is plenty old enough to stop believing in fairy tales.
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
That's partly what I've been thinking. Once I graduate from high school, I could move out and rent a small place with some roommates (even though the University of Utah is only like a 10 minute drive from my house, [n]in which most people would ideally live at home during college).[/n]
say what?![]()
Originally posted by: Penth
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: dbk
I think you should just suck it up until you go to college. Tell your parents when you're older because they probably will take this as a teenager rebelling.
That's partly what I've been thinking. Once I graduate from high school, I could move out and rent a small place with some roommates (even though the University of Utah is only like a 10 minute drive from my house, [n]in which most people would ideally live at home during college).[/n]
say what?![]()
I think he's saying that when he goes to college he'll rent a place with roommates so he can leave the church instead of staying home and driving 10 minutes to school where he would still have to go to church.
Originally posted by: Penth
Oh, I didn't notice cuz it wasn't bold.. Maybe he means financially. Certainly not if he wants to have fun.
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: Penth
Oh, I didn't notice cuz it wasn't bold.. Maybe he means financially. Certainly not if he wants to have fun.
Is living with your parents during college very unusual to you people? Most of the people I know do it. If you live in the same town I do, and you go to Weber State University or the University of Utah, then there's no point in moving a few miles closer to your school only to have to pay rent or food expenses or what-have-you. If the university you go to is only a 10 minute drive from your house, would you still move out?
Anyway, I appreciate people's suggestions so far. Also Penth, you bring up a lot of good points and I respect you for some of what you discussed. I don't think I would be able to point you to another church that judges and deals with everyone, members or not, in such a fair way as you said.
Originally posted by: LessThanDan
Originally posted by: Penth
Oh, I didn't notice cuz it wasn't bold.. Maybe he means financially. Certainly not if he wants to have fun.
Is living with your parents during college very unusual to you people? Most of the people I know do it. If you live in the same town I do, and you go to Weber State University or the University of Utah, then there's no point in moving a few miles closer to your school only to have to pay rent or food expenses or what-have-you. If the university you go to is only a 10 minute drive from your house, would you still move out?
Anyway, I appreciate people's suggestions so far. Also Penth, you bring up a lot of good points and I respect you for some of what you discussed. I don't think I would be able to point you to another church that judges and deals with everyone, members or not, in such a fair way as you said.
Originally posted by: wwswimming
if you're 16, that means in a few years you're going to be one
of those ultra-annoying young Muslim, i mean Mormon, guys
walking around wearing white shirts & a tie ?
i think you need to consider your future. for example, in
10 years, you could need help buying a house or something.
i'd be real careful about disappointing them.
one option is to find someone your own age who feels the
same way, and do your "missionary" work together. then
go to France or Bali & party like hell.
