Tell me why I should vote for Kerry

[Mill]

First off -- I'm not a partisan person, but I do lean toward the Libertarian and Republican side. Why should I vote for Kerry? Bush has benefited me financially whereas Kerry would not. I disagree with Bush on gay marriage and some other social issues, but those do not effect ME personally. Call me insensitive and/or selfish, but I can't see my vote going to do good for someone else. I must also mentioned that I'm pro-gun, and I'm not so sure Kerry isn't going to attempt to pass another AWB. I have NOT liked how Bush has managed our budget, nor have I liked how Iraq was handled. I *did* support the war in Iraq and I still do, but I don't like feeling as if I was lied to.

After saying all that why should I vote for Kerry? This entire election I've been trying to decide. I've heavily considered Edwards at one point and wanted to win the nomination. After reading the transcript of the VP debate I'm pretty much glad Edwards didn't get it. He simply does not have the experience. I didn't care for Dean or Gephardt, and honestly I still don't care that much for Kerry. He's simply not likable. If you ask how I can like George Bush it is very simply. He does what he wants the polls be damned. He's a smart ass and cowboy and somehow that appeals to me. He's a condescending prick who isn't afraid to play dirty to what he thinks is right done. Kerry of course comes off as a more reserved candidate but what else? What is Kerry going to do for me? How will he help me financially? How will he help my state(Alabama). How will he help ME and my family? Convince me now, because I've gotten to be about 70% sure I'm going to vote for Bush.

 

[gutharius]

Before I answer can i ask how bush has "financially" benefitted you? Are you referring to taxes?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well for one thing you haven't the faintest idea who your 'self' is. You should read The Magic Horse.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: gutharius
Before I answer can i ask how bush has "financially" benefitted you? Are you referring to taxes?

Yes, taxes.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: gutharius
Before I answer can i ask how bush has "financially" benefitted you? Are you referring to taxes?

Yes, taxes.

Do you make above $200k? Because if you don't you're not going to see an uprise in taxes.

 

[Czar]

One thing I wonder, has kerry said he will revert the tax cuts or has Bush said he will give more tax cuts?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: gutharius
Before I answer can i ask how bush has "financially" benefitted you? Are you referring to taxes?

Yes, taxes.

See sig on why you should vote Bush instead.


Anyway, both are going to have raise taxes to pay off this stupid load we gave ourselves. Money doesn't just grow on trees, so you have to get it from somewhere. You might say the republicans would get it by cutting other programs, but this just hasn't been the case recently. I guess their weren't any headstart programs coming for review?

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Czar
One thing I wonder, has kerry said he will revert the tax cuts or has Bush said he will give more tax cuts?

Under Kerry only tax cuts that will be reverted are those that make over $200k and they will be reverted to when Clinton left office(39.6% right now it's at 35%). I forgot the figure but it was like the top 1% got over 70% of the tax cuts or something crazy like that. I know I was flabbergasted when I saw it.

Also that bunch of baloney that Bush spits out about 900,000 small businesses being affected by Kerry's tax cuts is a crock. Do you know that under Bush formula to come to the 900,000 figure Cheney's wife is considered a small business? That's because she right's some consultation funds under business instead of her income. The true number of small businesses affected is 417,000 way less than half of their number and just keep in mind that the tax will just be reverted to when Clinton left office. Read

 

[Mill]

Well chit.

Single, no children 15 $55,300 $6,580 $2,700


Text

So basically Kerry is going to bend me over backwards because I have investments?

 

[chess9]

Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: gutharius
Before I answer can i ask how bush has "financially" benefitted you? Are you referring to taxes?

Yes, taxes.

Do you make above $200k? Because if you don't you're not going to see an uprise in taxes.

Do you have a tax calculator that uses Kerry's plan?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: chess9
Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

Mill: Call me insensitive and/or selfish, but I can't see my vote going to do good for someone else.

Competency only relates to the self at some yet to come time in the future when the Bush disaster bill starts to have to be paid. The selfish insensitive self isn't interested in itself tomorrow. It lives only for self gratification today. We still have a Bush supporter I fear, based on your reasoning, my dear Chess9.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Mill
Well chit.

Single, no children 15 $55,300 $6,580 $2,700


Text

So basically Kerry is going to bend me over backwards because I have investments?

You made a mistake.

Under current law if you see.

...........................................Scenario.........Income........Current Tax
Single, no children..................1............$40,000........$4,800
Single, no children..................5............$60,000........$7,500
Single, no children.................15..........$250,000.......$52,600


Under Kerry's Plan

....................................Scenario...Kerry Tax.......Bush Saving........Kerry Increase Compared to Current

Single, no children.................1..........$4,800...............$400...................$ --
Single, no children.................5..........$7,500...............$790...................$ --
Single, no children................15.........$55,300............$6,580.................$2,700


You have to line up the scenarios. The one you picked(scenario 15) you would have to be earning $250k. Are you earning over $250k?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chess9
Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

Sure competence matters, but so does what the individual can do for me. If the janitor decides to name buildings after me then why not support him?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: chess9
Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

Sure competence matters, but so does what the individual can do for me. If the janitor decides to name buildings after me then why not support him?

Now I finally got some ammo suitable for your level:

Bush isn't going to name any buildings after you.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: chess9
Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

Sure competence matters, but so does what the individual can do for me. If the janitor decides to name buildings after me then why not support him?

Now I finally got some ammo suitable for your level:

Bush isn't going to name any buildings after you.

lmao! Bastard! Made me spit my milk out.

 

[chess9]

Mill:

I use what can be done for me as the basis for all my votes.

What will the $1 trillion ultimate cost for Iraq do for you?

What will the billions of dollars given to insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies by the medicare bill do for you?

What will a lowering of environmental standards do for you?

What will the outsourcing of jobs do for you?

What will rising interest rates, deficit spending, and declining average family wages do for you?

-Robert

 

[nageov3t]

....................................Scenario...Kerry Tax.......Bush Saving........Kerry Increase Compared to Current

Single, no children.................1..........$4,800...............$400...................$ --

Bush tax cuts save me $30/month that's, like, half a night out. heh.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Mill
Well chit.

Single, no children 15 $55,300 $6,580 $2,700


Text

So basically Kerry is going to bend me over backwards because I have investments?

You made a mistake.

Under current law if you see.

...........................................Scenario.........Income........Current Tax
Single, no children..................1............$40,000........$4,800
Single, no children..................5............$60,000........$7,500
Single, no children.................15..........$250,000.......$52,600


Under Kerry's Plan

....................................Scenario...Kerry Tax.......Bush Saving........Kerry Increase Compared to Current

Single, no children.................1..........$4,800...............$400...................$ --
Single, no children.................5..........$7,500...............$790...................$ --
Single, no children................15.........$55,300............$6,580.................$2,700


You have to line up the scenarios. The one you picked(scenario 15) you would have to be earning $250k. Are you earning over $250k?

Not to be mean, but that's really not something I want to discuss here. What I said was true. Under this plan Scenario 15 applies to me.

 

[JHoNNy1OoO]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Mill
Well chit.

Single, no children 15 $55,300 $6,580 $2,700


Text

So basically Kerry is going to bend me over backwards because I have investments?

You made a mistake.

Under current law if you see.

...........................................Scenario.........Income........Current Tax
Single, no children..................1............$40,000........$4,800
Single, no children..................5............$60,000........$7,500
Single, no children.................15..........$250,000.......$52,600


Under Kerry's Plan

....................................Scenario...Kerry Tax.......Bush Saving........Kerry Increase Compared to Current

Single, no children.................1..........$4,800...............$400...................$ --
Single, no children.................5..........$7,500...............$790...................$ --
Single, no children................15.........$55,300............$6,580.................$2,700


You have to line up the scenarios. The one you picked(scenario 15) you would have to be earning $250k. Are you earning over $250k?

Not to be mean, but that's really not something I want to discuss here. What I said was true. Under this plan Scenario 15 applies to me.

Woah. I was just kidding because I thought you made a mistake. Okay. So by 15 I assume you make $250k in income and then on top of that you have at least 20,000 in investments every year. I understand $2,700 is your money but were you suffering under Clinton days? Would you give up $2,700 of your money to balance the budget? Is that $2,700 of yours worth more to you now than the country going into a bigger deficit for the coming years and your children end up paying for your $2,700? Ever thought that you could donate $2,700 to a charity and make it tax deductable? Everyone will win.

That's the problem that I had with Bush's tax plan, once people get a certain percent of money back they will never want to give it back up. In turn that's what Bush's main purpose for tax cuts is. Dependence. Not to help the economy but to make people dependent on the money they got back. Even though if you take it away they won't notice a difference. Anybody that runs against wanting to take money back is already at a disadvantage even though they are doing it to balance the budget.

You just have to decide what's more important to you.

Other than the one report you pointed out. Have you seen these numbers anywhere else? In any other article? I would at least double check and make sure these numbers are consistent with other reports.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: chess9
Would you rather have your university run by its janitor or its President?

Would you watch football if it were played by people with NO athletic talent?

Would you listen to Bach's Cello Suites if I played them?

When it's time for your brain surgery-you know you're overdue-would you mind if a pediatric nurse did the job?

Is COMPETENCY the least bit relevant to you?

If you don't want to vote for Kerry, then write in McCain. Why would anyone vote for imcompetence?

That's my .000278 farthing's worth.

-Robert

Sure competence matters, but so does what the individual can do for me. If the janitor decides to name buildings after me then why not support him?

Now I finally got some ammo suitable for your level:

Bush isn't going to name any buildings after you.

I understand you are just being Moonie, but perhaps you don't understand me. The person who benefits me is who I plan to vote for.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Mill
First off -- I'm not a partisan person, but I do lean toward the Libertarian and Republican side. Why should I vote for Kerry? Bush has benefited me financially whereas Kerry would not. I disagree with Bush on gay marriage and some other social issues, but those do not effect ME personally. Call me insensitive and/or selfish, but I can't see my vote going to do good for someone else. I must also mentioned that I'm pro-gun, and I'm not so sure Kerry isn't going to attempt to pass another AWB. I have NOT liked how Bush has managed our budget, nor have I liked how Iraq was handled. I *did* support the war in Iraq and I still do, but I don't like feeling as if I was lied to.

Does an Assault Weapons Ban affect you personally?

Dubya encourages out-sourcing jobs overseas. Might that affect you personally? Dubya is a warmonger. He offends our allies. The next President will have to deal with Iran and North Korea. Might that affect you personally? He had secret meetings with energy companies. Look at today's fuel prices. Has that affected you personally? Dubya has increased air and water pollution. Might that affect you personally? Are you sure?

 

[gutharius]

Originally posted by: Mill
Not to be mean, but that's really not something I want to discuss here. What I said was true. Under this plan Scenario 15 applies to me.

I know this maybe rather personal, so feel free to keep it to yourself. But the returns on stock market investments generally, if properly invested in a IRA, will not count as income unless you are directly receiving those returns and pocketing them. Are these investments stocks or business investments which you are earning a return on?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: chess9
Mill:

I use what can be done for me as the basis for all my votes.

What will the $1 trillion ultimate cost for Iraq do for you?

What will the billions of dollars given to insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies by the medicare bill do for you?

What will a lowering of environmental standards do for you?

What will the outsourcing of jobs do for you?

What will rising interest rates, deficit spending, and declining average family wages do for you?

-Robert

1. Possibly raise my taxes and cost the lives of servicemen.

2. Helps my Pharm stocks.

3. Well it will dirty the environment, but big corps will make more money and make the market rise.

4. Outsourcing -- again that would be higher profits for corps which make the market rise.

5. Deficit spending needs to be fixed. Interest rates are not high rate now, and I'm not sure about family wages. Any numbers for me?

Which candidate is doing these things? Bush? Kerry? Any proof?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: JHoNNy1OoO

Originally posted by: Mill
Well chit.

Single, no children 15 $55,300 $6,580 $2,700


Text

So basically Kerry is going to bend me over backwards because I have investments?

You made a mistake.

Under current law if you see.

...........................................Scenario.........Income........Current Tax
Single, no children..................1............$40,000........$4,800
Single, no children..................5............$60,000........$7,500
Single, no children.................15..........$250,000.......$52,600


Under Kerry's Plan

....................................Scenario...Kerry Tax.......Bush Saving........Kerry Increase Compared to Current

Single, no children.................1..........$4,800...............$400...................$ --
Single, no children.................5..........$7,500...............$790...................$ --
Single, no children................15.........$55,300............$6,580.................$2,700


You have to line up the scenarios. The one you picked(scenario 15) you would have to be earning $250k. Are you earning over $250k?

Not to be mean, but that's really not something I want to discuss here. What I said was true. Under this plan Scenario 15 applies to me.

Woah. I was just kidding because I thought you made a mistake. Okay. So by 15 I assume you make $250k in income and then on top of that you have at least 20,000 in investments every year. I understand $2,700 is your money but were you suffering under Clinton days? Would you give up $2,700 of your money to balance the budget? Is that $2,700 of yours worth more to you now than the country going into a bigger deficit for the coming years and your children end up paying for your $2,700? Ever thought that you could donate $2,700 to a charity and make it tax deductable? Everyone will win.

That's the problem that I had with Bush's tax plan, once people get a certain percent of money back they will never want to give it back up. In turn that's what Bush's main purpose for tax cuts is. Dependence. Not to help the economy but to make people dependent on the money they got back. Even though if you take it away they won't notice a difference. Anybody that runs against wanting to take money back is already at a disadvantage even though they are doing it to balance the budget.

You just have to decide what's more important to you.

Other than the one report you pointed out. Have you seen these numbers anywhere else? In any other article? I would at least double check and make sure these numbers are consistent with other reports.

Same numbers were on many news sites and democraticunderground.com and the numbers coincide with what I read on Kerry's website. I'm not going to comment on the income segment because that's complex and personal, but investments are a very big part of my financial future and my current situation. Anything disturbing the tax cuts I received on dividends and capital gains will hurt me. I paid over twelve-thousand dollars in taxes before the tax cuts. After those my burden was MUCH less.

Anyway, let me say that the dividend and capital gains taxes are what bothers me. I'd love to have a calculator to where I could punch in info from my returns and see for myself.