Tell Congress You Demand A Paper Trail
- Thread starter MonstaThrilla
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Very Interesting. I think people should have the option to view their votes. However, there is this requirement that the vote remain secret. This might have been a good idea once. I think we could keep a record of all votes and just give the person a voting number that only they know when they cast their ballot, so they can check it if they wanted to. This is how they track things like Aids Testing. When I think about this I think I envision a list of votes where you can look at the names with check boxes that only allow a person to pick one candidate and will automatically fix that problem at least.
I see other problems with voting. One problem I see is the states often do not count all the votes. I think all states should be required to count all votes every time. Often during the presidential election if you have a majority count they quit counting the other votes and just call it. I think this is wrong. Every vote should be counted. The problem is the absentee votes are not counted, then some jerk claims he had a majority of the popular vote. The only thing is we did not count all the votes, so we do not really know for sure. So I say count every vote, and do not realease any results until every vote is counted. If you allow absentee ballots then by law you should have to count them.
I see other problems with voting. One problem I see is the states often do not count all the votes. I think all states should be required to count all votes every time. Often during the presidential election if you have a majority count they quit counting the other votes and just call it. I think this is wrong. Every vote should be counted. The problem is the absentee votes are not counted, then some jerk claims he had a majority of the popular vote. The only thing is we did not count all the votes, so we do not really know for sure. So I say count every vote, and do not realease any results until every vote is counted. If you allow absentee ballots then by law you should have to count them.
Gunslinger08
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E-voting was developed for faster counting and so there would be no need for a paper trail.
One of the suggested methods is to have a paper ballot punched by the computer for each voter, which is dropped behind a glass screen for their approval. Once it's approved, the vote is tallied, and the paper is destroyed.
Obviously, this doesn't account for hacking/bugs in the tally system. I think a system like what piasabird suggested would be the easiest to implement. Create a website linked to individual votes, keyed through their social security number with a personally selected PIN, so that voters can check their votes later.
One of the suggested methods is to have a paper ballot punched by the computer for each voter, which is dropped behind a glass screen for their approval. Once it's approved, the vote is tallied, and the paper is destroyed.
Obviously, this doesn't account for hacking/bugs in the tally system. I think a system like what piasabird suggested would be the easiest to implement. Create a website linked to individual votes, keyed through their social security number with a personally selected PIN, so that voters can check their votes later.
Gunslinger08
Lifer
- Nov 18, 2001
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By majority count, do you mean that the candidate has received votes from greater than 50% of the registered voters?
The problem with piasabird's suggest is that your specific vote is linked to you, ending the concept of the secret ballot and becoming susceptible to hacking. Here's another solution:
1) Vote on the touchscreen.
2) The machine prints out a "receipt" (much like in grocery stores) listing all your votes (but no identifying info about you).
3) You look at the receipt to verify it, and put it in a slotted box next to the machine.
4) The votes are quickly counted (the advantage of e-voting) but there is an accurate papertrail (the advantage of traditional voting).
The signatures have now totaled over 45,000!
That is also failed. For any voting scheme the only thing that sould be done in private is selecting the canidates. Everything else should be visiable to the public. Specificly the blank ballots must be visiable and can not be store/generated by the voting machine, the box that collects the balloits must be visiable and the counting needs to be visiable or verifiable. Idealy no vote will be counted until the polls close for that state to ensure the results can't be used to influences late voters.
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i find it ironic that you're demanding a paper trail when paper is inaccurate to begin with.
as for accurate results, the supreme court has never agreed that that is a valid enough reason for encumbrances on the voter system. retarded, i know, but it got kennedy elected.
as for accurate results, the supreme court has never agreed that that is a valid enough reason for encumbrances on the voter system. retarded, i know, but it got kennedy elected.
MadRat
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If every vote had a unique checksum, and only the vote and checksum # were made public, then it would allow people to verify their vote. The only person who needs to record the checksum is the person throwing the vote. If they check their vote and it comes up wrong then they can testify to the suspected tampering. So simple, yet workable.
What I find interesting is that we are demanding all these paper trails, audits, etc... Yet, in my state, when Republicans try to introduce a bill which would require people to provide ID before voting, democrats go CRAZY. Why would democrats demand accurate counts, but not demand accurate verification of identity?
Is its because it would disrupt their cigarettes for votes program?
Is its because it would disrupt their cigarettes for votes program?
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