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Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I agree that Jr. is creative, I never said he wasn't. Just that to me, a "fabricator" is someone who can do it all. Maybe he can, but to date he hasn't.
Let's see him take some metal tubing and make a bike out of it. Mostly what he does is order stuff, modify some of it, then assemble it.
That is all still a pain in the ass, but again...to me, fabrication is building it from scratch. ALL of it.

Until he does that, many people will consider him to be an assembler, or at best, a modifier....not a true fabricator.
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Point taken. I'd be interested to see if he can do that as well. Quite possibly he could...but they wouldn't be able to have a deadline like they do for it...he's slow as hell. I think that is the main reason that they don't build everything from scratch. They have such short deadlines (whether that's for TV or not i guess is up in the air).
 
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I agree that Jr. is creative, I never said he wasn't. Just that to me, a "fabricator" is someone who can do it all. Maybe he can, but to date he hasn't.
Let's see him take some metal tubing and make a bike out of it. Mostly what he does is order stuff, modify some of it, then assemble it.
That is all still a pain in the ass, but again...to me, fabrication is building it from scratch. ALL of it.

Until he does that, many people will consider him to be an assembler, or at best, a modifier....not a true fabricator.
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Point taken. I'd be interested to see if he can do that as well. Quite possibly he could...but they wouldn't be able to have a deadline like they do for it...he's slow as hell. I think that is the main reason that they don't build everything from scratch. They have such short deadlines (whether that's for TV or not i guess is up in the air).
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I agree, the TV schedule dictates that they can't really build everything from scratch....or could they? I've seen Jesse James do it. He had a lot more time to do it, though, but other than the engine, everything else he used was built in-house, most of it by him.
Lots of the other builders in the Biker Build-Off series use pre-built frames and such in the interest of time...which is okay I guess since they are mostly smaller shops and have that deadline looming.
But you're right, Jr. is very slow, and I sort of agree with his dad about his work habits. No wonder that OCC is never on the Biker Build Off show.
If you want to see a real fabricator at work, watch one of those shows where the late Indian Larry competes. I don't really dig his old-school style bikes, but the man could damn well do everything to one.
OCC has to have heard the criticism about this stuff....I'd also like to see them build one from absolute scratch.
 
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Originally posted by: pyonir
Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
I agree that Jr. is creative, I never said he wasn't. Just that to me, a "fabricator" is someone who can do it all. Maybe he can, but to date he hasn't.
Let's see him take some metal tubing and make a bike out of it. Mostly what he does is order stuff, modify some of it, then assemble it.
That is all still a pain in the ass, but again...to me, fabrication is building it from scratch. ALL of it.

Until he does that, many people will consider him to be an assembler, or at best, a modifier....not a true fabricator.
Click to expand...
Point taken. I'd be interested to see if he can do that as well. Quite possibly he could...but they wouldn't be able to have a deadline like they do for it...he's slow as hell. I think that is the main reason that they don't build everything from scratch. They have such short deadlines (whether that's for TV or not i guess is up in the air).
Click to expand...
I agree, the TV schedule dictates that they can't really build everything from scratch....or could they? I've seen Jesse James do it. He had a lot more time to do it, though, but other than the engine, everything else he used was built in-house, most of it by him.
Lots of the other builders in the Biker Build-Off series use pre-built frames and such in the interest of time...which is okay I guess since they are mostly smaller shops and have that deadline looming.
But you're right, Jr. is very slow, and I sort of agree with his dad about his work habits. No wonder that OCC is never on the Biker Build Off show.
If you want to see a real fabricator at work, watch one of those shows where the late Indian Larry competes. I don't really dig his old-school style bikes, but the man could damn well do everything to one.
OCC has to have heard the criticism about this stuff....I'd also like to see them build one from absolute scratch.
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Oh BTW, sr. use to build his own frames on a big old jig, but now he makes one very rarely and racing innovations makes copies of his frames, so in a way they do, in a way they don't.

Jesse james is actually pretty cool, watch motorcycle mania. I really look up to him in SOME respects.
 
Originally posted by: pyonir
Indian Larry is unreal. I've seen some of his work and it's astonishing. RIP Indian Larry.
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I have a huge 6x6 foot mural of Larry on my wall in the shop. He's an idol for sure. SO down to earth, real stand up guy. I decided before that if I ever had a bike made it would be by him and the gasoline alley guys, w/ a badass seat by paul cox. The chain frame he built for the biker build off episdoe in which he died during filming was AMAZING!!!!!!
 
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