Teflons pans are not safe to use!

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Linux23

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: yukichigai
This has been bickered over for years. After the initial study it was determined in several follow-up studies that this is a crock of s%$#. Teflon is non-toxic; it'll pass through your system without even being digested. It's no more harmful than swallowing a penny.

Scratching the Teflon can ruin the pan though.

I donno...my brother almost choked on a penny when he was like 2...

mine too!:Q

Mine swallowed a quarter. Pooped out a 2 dimes and a nickel!

Actually, use stainless steel and cast iron. Got used to them from my years cooking for a catering service. They're non-stick too if you know how to use them (make sure they're heated first, season them, etc).

 

[Calin]

Originally posted by: SplinterDB

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: SplinterDB
If you turn a teflon skillet on to high and put a bird in the same room. Within a half an hour the bird will die from the poisons teflon emmits. Ask any Vet.

Remember Canary in the coal mines?

OK, I'll try to not be a d!ck and leave a Teflon pan, with nothing in it, on the heat for HALF AN HOUR anywhere near my Aviary.

:roll:

Do you think it really matters if any thing is in it 350-400 degrees F still creates the toxins they just go in you food. O rin the air in any case I would run fast when the canary keels over cause you are next. Unless slow poisoning is ok? :roll:

Yes, it matters if it is in a certain temperature range or not. The diamond doesn't burn in cool air, but burns if heated enough. There are other chemical reactions that are temperature-restricted.
There are many things that are dangerous if you inhale them, but not if you eat them. I have no classic example for the moment (except water).

Calin

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

Cool! I drove you to substance abuse?! Could suicide be next? [crosses fingers]

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SplinterDB
As I said. There are thousandss of cases of Animal Teflon poisoning cases every year. Gooogle it! Check out Vet. Medicine Monthly. I don't have to defend anything. Prove I'm wrong.

WRONG. You have to prove what you have posited. When a person is in an argument and makes a claim, the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim, NOT on the people who are skeptical of the claim.

Claiming that you can introduce any old story as fact and then refusing to back it up on the grounds that "you have to prove I'm wrong" is at best the mistake of a person who is inexperienced and unfamiliar with the rules regarding rational debate and at worst a cleaver scheme to avoid having to provide proof for something that is unsupportable.

ZV

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SplinterDB
http://tuberose.com/Teflon.html
http://www.la-spca.org/education/health_safety/poisons4.htm
http://www.avma.org/careforanimals/animatedjourneys/livingwithpets/poisoninfo.asp
http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/poison.html

The first site is put up by some nut-job "alternative medicine" group. Thanks, but no.

From the second site:

The problem arises when pots or pans containing either Teflon? or Silverstone? are left on a hot stove until heated to >280 degrees Celsius (generally when a pan is forgotten on a hot stove for some time until it is "white hot").

This is _not_ "normal use"

The third and fourth sites repeat what is said in the second site.

None of these links suggest any problems whatsoever under normal use.

ZV

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

Cool! I drove you to substance abuse?! Could suicide be next? [crosses fingers]

Never, I'll still be here rockin when your casket is lowered 6feet under, old man.

 

[Electric Amish]

How can teflon be toxic? It's almost completely inert. It doesn't react with acid, so it's not going to be digested.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

Cool! I drove you to substance abuse?! Could suicide be next? [crosses fingers]

Never, I'll still be here rockin when your casket is lowered 6feet under, old man.

Damn you all to hell!

 

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

Cool! I drove you to substance abuse?! Could suicide be next? [crosses fingers]

Never, I'll still be here rockin when your casket is lowered 6feet under, old man.

Damn you all to hell!

I'm sure your hand will be one of the many I shake in hell.

 

[JDub02]

Originally posted by: XietyCOM
^^^ And yes, I know better than all of you.

typical liberal.

no wonder you're voting for commie kerry.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

And it shows!

I must in order to deal with the moron clients I have and people like you on the internet!

Cool! I drove you to substance abuse?! Could suicide be next? [crosses fingers]

Never, I'll still be here rockin when your casket is lowered 6feet under, old man.

Damn you all to hell!

I'm sure your hand will be one of the many I shake in hell.

I consider that a terroristic threat!

 

[Mallow]

Quote from the one of the pages, "I've never seen Teflon poisoning in a dog or cat, but I mention it here just for your information; birds are very sensitive to the fumes."

So humans are probably even less sensitive.

 

In hell there is no terrorism.

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

EVERYDAY? Are you an alocholic?

 

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

EVERYDAY? Are you an alocholic?

No, I'm a drunk.
I'm working on alcoholism.

 

[So]

Not gonna stop me from using it, then again I wish the'd bring freon, asbestos, and DDT back.

 

[SP33Demon]

Fcking morons, if it wasn't safe to use polytetrafluoroethylene pans then they wouldn't sell them publicly (since the 60's). Get a clue and learn how to be skeptical of things you find on the net. :disgust:

 

[Mallow]

Originally posted by: SampSon

Originally posted by: Mallow

Originally posted by: SampSon
Alcohol is toxic, yet I drink it in heafty quantities everyday.

EVERYDAY? Are you an alocholic?

No, I'm a drunk.
I'm working on alcoholism.

Good luck on your progress.

 

[Kelemvor]

If you have a teflon pan on the stove with nothing in it and the stove is on, then it does release toxic fumes that will at least kill birds. But as long as you don't do that, you're fine.

 

[ragazzo]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
If you have a teflon pan on the stove with nothing in it and the stove is on, then it does release toxic fumes that will at least kill birds. But as long as you don't do that, you're fine.

teflon coating in lightbulbs will also kill birds.

 

[UNCjigga]

I :heart: my cast iron skillet!

 

[Atomicus]

wok > all cookware

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: SplinterDB
http://tuberose.com/Teflon.html
http://www.la-spca.org/education/health_safety/poisons4.htm
http://www.avma.org/careforanimals/animatedjourneys/livingwithpets/poisoninfo.asp
http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/poison.html

The first site is put up by some nut-job "alternative medicine" group. Thanks, but no.

From the second site:

The problem arises when pots or pans containing either Teflon? or Silverstone? are left on a hot stove until heated to >280 degrees Celsius (generally when a pan is forgotten on a hot stove for some time until it is "white hot").

This is _not_ "normal use"

The third and fourth sites repeat what is said in the second site.

None of these links suggest any problems whatsoever under normal use.

This is because (I think) the melting point of Teflon is 280 degrees Celsius, or roughly 536 degrees Fahrenheit. Most ovens do not go that hot, and for a reason. Teflon isn't the only thing that melts at those temperatures. And until you get Teflon that hot it's not going to leave the surface of the pan. Period. There's no "sorta-melting" state; it either melts or it doesn't.

The canary example is flawed. Canaries die for far too many reasons. In coal mines they weren't used to check for pockets of poisonous gas so much as pockets of oxygen-depleted air. (Carbon Dioxide is produced where Coal is produced. Imagine that) The most likely reason a canary will die is because it isn't getting enough oxygen. This says nothing about the toxicity of Teflon.

 

[SplinterDB]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: SplinterDB
As I said. There are thousandss of cases of Animal Teflon poisoning cases every year. Gooogle it! Check out Vet. Medicine Monthly. I don't have to defend anything. Prove I'm wrong.

WRONG. You have to prove what you have posited. When a person is in an argument and makes a claim, the burden of proof is on the person who made the claim, NOT on the people who are skeptical of the claim.

Claiming that you can introduce any old story as fact and then refusing to back it up on the grounds that "you have to prove I'm wrong" is at best the mistake of a person who is inexperienced and unfamiliar with the rules regarding rational debate and at worst a cleaver scheme to avoid having to provide proof for something that is unsupportable.

ZV

It could be considered a valid point if I had not already presented evidence. If you look back at the original statement. The original referent was:

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Originally posted by: SplinterDB
If you turn a teflon skillet on to high and put a bird in the same room. Within a half an hour the bird will die from the poisons teflon emmits. Ask any Vet.

Therefore:
On supporting evidence,
http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/poison.html

There is a variety of evidence to support my claim. If there is evidence out there that contradicts that Fumes from overheated PTFE can cause the death of birds. Then we have a issue where the perpoderance of evidence may be more applicable. (this is a cause for debate in and of itself.) My original statement is supported.

In any case:
I cecede to your statement regarding burden of proof. The burden of proof is my responibility in this instance. Although my effort to shift the burden of proof was incorrect. The original claim is supported by the evidence provided.