Teen shoots at policeman. Cop shoots back and kills teen. Protests begin.

[Londo_Jowo]

Yeah, I was trying to see what the standard mag size was for the Beretta and seems to be a 10 round mag.

We don't know if the officer was in uniform or not, which might answer some questions.

- Merg

Some of the Beretta 92 military and police models have 17 round magazines.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Black gangs are like the Republican party, the brains defective response to fear, the egotistical tough-guy-face folk put on who were intimidated as children, the collection into irrational and violent groups that thrive on the buddy feeling of adrenalin and testosterone driven apes hooting and throwing sandwiches at all that terrifies them from the branches of trees. The creation and presence of the other is how we keep from noticing that the other is ourselves. Where there is fear, you will find the CBD. It doesn't care what color your skin is. You cannot change the ego manifestation of those who feel persecution because the game of self hate is always to save face. It's natures way of surviving the emotional abuse of childhood, the certainty and security provided by [group, gang] think.

What is wrong with you, seriously? Do you currently have a psychiatrist? Did you run out of your meds? Does your AI programming need a reboot? None of anything you just stated has to do with the conversation at hand --- unless you are saying that black gangs vote Republican.

 

[The Merg]

Some of the Beretta 92 military and police models have 17 round magazines.

Okay, I did see that there was a 17 round mag, but I couldn't tell if it was an extended mag or not (in that it extends past the magazine well of the firearm).

That might make sense, although that would mean the officer had one round left (17 + 1 in the chamber).

- Merg

 

[senseamp]

Someone explain to me why an off duty cop was doing "pedestrian check" in the first place, and what the hell "pedestrian check" is? If you are off duty working private security, you have a right to stop and check pedestrians?

 

[OutHouse]

Yup. Studies do show that even an expert shot will shoot at 30-50% of their ability in a high-stress situation. I would assume that getting shot at would constitute a high-stress situation.

- Merg

According to the FBI LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

http://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

 

[OutHouse]

the enforcement powers authorized by the off-duty position

i have no idea what that means.

A sworn police officer has the power to enforce the law 24/7, if out of uniform he has to identify himself first.

 

[The Merg]

According to the FBI LEO’s miss between 70 – 80 percent of the shots fired during a shooting incident

http://looserounds.com/2014/09/21/fbi-9mm-justification-fbi-training-division/

There have been some other more independent studies that say it is more towards the 30% mark.

- Merg

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Someone explain to me why an off duty cop was doing "pedestrian check" in the first place, and what the hell "pedestrian check" is? If you are off duty working private security, you have a right to stop and check pedestrians?

Why don't you tell us? Apparently no one has suggested that it was improper, only the resulting action was. If a pedestrian was trespassing on private property for example do you think security shouldn't check it out? Regardless, when did someone asking what you were doing in an area warrant mean it's OK to shoot them for it?

 

[TechBoyJK]

This was two blocks from my gf's house. It's a nicer neighborhood. Next door to the Missouri Botanical Garden and close to 'The Hill' which is an Italian neighborhood known for first class food. If protests show up here, there's going to be conflict.

 

[The Merg]

i have no idea what that means.



A sworn police officer has the power to enforce the law 24/7, if out of uniform he has to identify himself first.

Say the off-duty position he is in does not require a firearm and says that he's only there as a bouncer at the door. If he sees a robbery in progress and takes action on that, he would not be acting in the capacity of his off duty position but rather in the capacity as an off-duty officer.

- Merg

 

[TechBoyJK]

Someone explain to me why an off duty cop was doing "pedestrian check" in the first place, and what the hell "pedestrian check" is? If you are off duty working private security, you have a right to stop and check pedestrians?

I think so. In the city. Off Duty cops will often make side money doing security for night clubs, nice restaurants, neighborhoods, etc.

Keep in mind, this is a nicer south city neighborhood. So it'd make sense for there to be actual police doing security work. Especially since it's 1 block from the Missouri Botanical Garden.

And I do believe off duty cops can engage citizens just as they can 'on duty'. I've seen stl cops doing security for night clubs (i was valet) and arrest people for being disorderly. They have to call in an on-duty cop to pick up the perp though.

 

[TechBoyJK]

This was on Shaw next to the Botanical Gardens. This isn't ferguson.

 

[Zaap]

Had a sub-machinegun for lunch the other day, fully loaded.

 

[senseamp]

Why don't you tell us? Apparently no one has suggested that it was improper, only the resulting action was. If a pedestrian was trespassing on private property for example do you think security shouldn't check it out? Regardless, when did someone asking what you were doing in an area warrant mean it's OK to shoot them for it?

Was he trespassing on private property? I didn't see that reported anywhere.
He ran away from the guy, only when guy gave chase he shot him. Maybe he thought it was a George Zimmerman wannabe chasing him.

 

[soulcougher73]

Someone explain to me why an off duty cop was doing "pedestrian check" in the first place, and what the hell "pedestrian check" is? If you are off duty working private security, you have a right to stop and check pedestrians?

Article says the off duty cop saw him carrying a gun..err i mean Ruger sammich.

 

[pauldun170]

Someone explain to me why an off duty cop was doing "pedestrian check" in the first place, and what the hell "pedestrian check" is? If you are off duty working private security, you have a right to stop and check pedestrians?

said the officer had been in a car when he saw three males near Shaw Boulevard and Klemm Street at about 7:30 p.m. Wednesday. One of the males started to run away but stopped. The officer did a U-turn and then all three ran, in the 4100 block of Shaw Boulevard. The officer drove through streets following them, and then he got out and chased them on foot.

Running away from a security guard leads to guard chasing kid.
What was the guy going to do? Charge them with aggravated trotting with intent to commit a marathon?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Ask yourself why so many threads on black teens being shot by primarily white officers? Merit or not it happens at alarming rates.

Then in a thread that I started most people were of the opinion that the color of the policeman had no bearing on anything!

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'll give you a hint though, the police aren't the problem.

actually YOU re so very wrong!! The Police are the problem! All of them who look the other way when one of there own violates somebody human rights! Those Police are just a guilty!!

It is sad that when I was growing up my parent taught me that a Policeman was my friend!! Now as a parent with grown children I can honestly tell you I did not teach my children that the Police are their friend......why? Because they are not your friend!!

 

[HumblePie]

So he was carrying around a fully loaded sub manwich?

 

[cubby1223]

Ask yourself why so many threads on black teens being shot by primarily white officers?

...because we have a couple activists who enjoy spreading their subject of choice? This forum is not large enough to extrapolate statistics from.


To the subject of this thread, the community needs to get to action and burn something down to show the world they are serious. Don't have to start with a gas station convenience store, I'll settle for a coffee stand, or even just a food truck as sufficient demonstration.

 

[Pipeline 1010]

The camera issue was to setup the loss of credibility of these departments. Ferguson had the cameras but never deployed them. Should off duty officers be wearing a camera? If they are allowed the power of the state in their off duty position. I think so.

If he's off the job, no way. That's his private life.

 

[OutHouse]

Running away from a security guard leads to guard chasing kid.
What was the guy going to do? Charge them with aggravated trotting with intent to commit a marathon?

is reading comp hard for you?

 

[BoberFett]

Black gangs are like the Republican party, the brains defective response to fear, the egotistical tough-guy-face folk put on who were intimidated as children, the collection into irrational and violent groups that thrive on the buddy feeling of adrenalin and testosterone driven apes hooting and throwing sandwiches at all that terrifies them from the branches of trees. The creation and presence of the other is how we keep from noticing that the other is ourselves. Where there is fear, you will find the CBD. It doesn't care what color your skin is. You cannot change the ego manifestation of those who feel persecution because the game of self hate is always to save face. It's natures way of surviving the emotional abuse of childhood, the certainty and security provided by [group, gang] think.

Moonbeam is still choking down some donkey dick, I see.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Running away from a security guard leads to guard chasing kid.
What was the guy going to do? Charge them with aggravated trotting with intent to commit a marathon?

He wasn't a security guard. He was a uniformed police officer. STLPD are allowed to patrol on their own time, and if someone, ie a neighborhood, pays them for it, so be it.

STLPD cops could end their shift, and continue to patrol their own neighborhood, in uniform and make arrests.

The only thing on/off duty means is whether or not the city is paying them.

 

[mizzou]

Right. That's why I was asking what St. Louis PD uses.

- Meeg

I also think it is the Beretta 92