Teen Sex:8-6-06 Sexual lyrics prompt teens to have sex

[dmcowen674]

Footloose anyone?

Will the RIAA fight to stop the ban on music?

How long before the ban goes into effect?

8-6-2006 Sexual lyrics prompt teens to have sex

Teens whose iPods are full of music with raunchy, sexual lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs, a study found.
Teens who said they listened to lots of music with degrading sexual messages were almost twice as likely to start having intercourse or other sexual activities within the following two years as were teens who listened to little or no sexually degrading music.

Among heavy listeners, 51 percent started having sex within two years, versus 29 percent of those who said they listened to little or no sexually degrading music.

Exposure to lots of sexually degrading music "gives them a specific message about sex," said lead author Steven Martino, a researcher for Rand Corp. in Pittsburgh. Boys learn they should be relentless in pursuit of women and girls learn to view themselves as sex objects, he said.

"We think that really lowers kids' inhibitions and makes them less thoughtful" about sexual decisions and may influence them to make decisions they regret, he said.

"A lot of teens think that's the way they're supposed to be, they think that's the cool thing to do. Because it's so common, it's accepted," said Ramsey, a teen editor for Sexetc.org, a teen sexual health Web site produced at Rutgers University.

"Teens will try to deny it, they'll say 'No, it's not the music,' but it IS the music. That has one of the biggest impacts on our lives," Ramsey said.

The Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the U.S. recording industry, declined to comment on the findings.

 

[alchemize]

When I was a teenager a brisk breeze caused me to want to have sex as well. Ban wind?

This is the parents job...always has been, always will be.

 

[zendari]

Where is the ban on music? I don't care much for this rap/hiphop fad, but the artists are certainly good at selling it in the free market.

 

[dullard]

Three step process:

1) Find out the true cause and effect relationship. Correlation is not causation. It could simply be the teens who will have sex early want to listen to music about sex. That is, the sex could be the cause of the music choice, not the music choice being the cause of the sex. Or there could be a whole other underlying cause.

2) Once the causation link is known decide if a law/ban should be passed. To often this step is ignored. In this case, I feel nothing should be done.

3) Pass a law/ban if steps #1 and #2 show the need for one. Usually people like dmcowen674 want to just jump to this point.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
When I was a teenager a brisk breeze caused me to want to have sex as well. Ban wind?

This is the parents job...always has been, always will be.

Still does, but I guess it's a lack of a wife that causes that?

 

[Zorba]

Originally posted by: dullard
Three step process:

1) Find out the true cause and effect relationship. Correlation is not causation. It could simply be the teens who will have sex early want to listen to music about sex. That is, the sex could be the cause of the music choice, not the music choice being the cause of the sex. Or there could be a whole other underlying cause.

2) Once the causation link is known decide if a law/ban should be passed. To often this step is ignored. In this case, I feel nothing should be done.

3) Pass a law/ban if steps #1 and #2 show the need for one. Usually people like dmcowen674 want to just jump to this point.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[GoPackGo]

When are we going to see the following headline:?


"Hormones prompt teens to have sex"

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Don't forget in the same journal, kids who watched wrestling were more likely to carry a weapon or be prone to violence.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: alchemize
When I was a teenager a brisk breeze caused me to want to have sex as well. Ban wind?

This is the parents job...always has been, always will be.

Still does, but I guess it's a lack of a wife that causes that?

New baby/uninterested wife in my case

 

[jrenz]

Will the RIAA fight to stop the ban on music?

How long before the ban goes into effect?

What are you talking about?

 

[Harvey]

Dave,

I agree with so many of your positions that I feel compelled to tell you when I think you're over-blowing it on some. This is one such issue.

The article at your link reports the findings of a study supporting thier conclusions that sexually explicit lyrics are a factor encouraging teens to experiment with sex at an earlier age. If the study is accurate, then the report is just fact. If you want to cry about it, consider that any action to prevent publishing it would be censorship. Then, you'd have a real issue to compain about, and you know you would.

As for your diversionary reference to the RIAA, the article, itself says, "The Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the U.S. recording industry, declined to comment on the findings."

I applaud your stands when you have a valid point, but you're way off base on this one. Somebody please call the wahmbulance and roll this one out of here. :roll:

 

[alchemize]

Next thing you know, they'll be telling us reading romance novels causes women to want sex too...(but only after appropriate romantic precursors, such as a muscly man riding bare-chested on a mighty stallion to save them from a swarthy road agent).

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Next thing you know, they'll be telling us reading romance novels causes women to want sex too...(but only after appropriate romantic precursors, such as a muscly man riding bare-chested on a mighty stallion to save them from a swarthy road agent).

Good thing kids don't read these days.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Dave,

I agree with so many of your positions that I feel compelled to tell you when I think you're over-blowing it on some. This is one such issue.

The article at your link reports the findings of a study supporting thier conclusions that sexually explicit lyrics are a factor encouraging teens to experiment with sex at an earlier age. If the study is accurate, then the report is just fact. If you want to cry about it, consider that any action to prevent publishing it would be censorship. Then, you'd have a real issue to compain about, and you know you would.

As for your diversionary reference to the RIAA, the article, itself says, "The Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the U.S. recording industry, declined to comment on the findings."

I applaud your stands when you have a valid point, but you're way off base on this one. Somebody please call the wahmbulance and roll this one out of here. :roll:

Did you just say that you are a fruitcake like Dave?

 

[Rainsford]

Music is largely about self-expression, the music you listen to is far more likely to reflect your personality traits than to cause them. Country music listeners are far more likely to vote Republican, but listening to Toby Keith isn't going to turn you into a fawning Bush supporter. Much of the argument against TV, movies, music and video games causing "undesirable behavior" is suspect, but music is especially questionable, as music really does tend to be a reflection of your personality rather than a cause for it.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Music is largely about self-expression, the music you listen to is far more likely to reflect your personality traits than to cause them. Country music listeners are far more likely to vote Republican, but listening to Toby Keith isn't going to turn you into a fawning Bush supporter. Much of the argument against TV, movies, music and video games causing "undesirable behavior" is suspect, but music is especially questionable, as music really does tend to be a reflection of your personality rather than a cause for it.

I don't see it as being so much different then the way my generation was bombarded with music glamorizing drugs.
The lyrics encouraged experimentation, the rockstars themselves were outspoken abusers of narcotics and halucinagenics. ie....(od'ers Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix...etc)
To say this had zero effect on my friends and myself , I think would be absurd. It became part of the teen culture of that generation.

To say that music , and its superstars, that has an extreme sexual content and degrades women in general as ho's. And then pump this message into your head over and over all day long with your ipods has zero effect seems to me also to be slightly naive.

 

[OutHouse]

yea, when my wife and i were dating in high school, we would listen to Chicago and get all horny.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Music is largely about self-expression, the music you listen to is far more likely to reflect your personality traits than to cause them. Country music listeners are far more likely to vote Republican, but listening to Toby Keith isn't going to turn you into a fawning Bush supporter. Much of the argument against TV, movies, music and video games causing "undesirable behavior" is suspect, but music is especially questionable, as music really does tend to be a reflection of your personality rather than a cause for it.

I don't see it as being so much different then the way my generation was bombarded with music glamorizing drugs.
The lyrics encouraged experimentation, the rockstars themselves were outspoken abusers of narcotics and halucinagenics. ie....(od'ers Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix...etc)
To say this had zero effect on my friends and myself , I think would be absurd. It became part of the teen culture of that generation.

To say that music , and its superstars, that has an extreme sexual content and degrades women in general as ho's. And then pump this message into your head over and over all day long with your ipods has zero effect seems to me also to be slightly naive.

I didn't say music has zero effect on the psyche of the person listening to it, I suggested that music is much more of a reflection, rather than a cause, of certain behaviors. If there is any effect, I'd say it would be more reinforcement than anything else. You suggest that your generation (and presumably mine and the current one as well) are "bombarded" with music glamorizing certain behaviors, and that this music encourages experimentation, implying that the music causes behaviors people otherwise wouldn't have tried. In other words, we're all simply passive recipients of music, that we are unable to make decisions about the message, or even actively choose WHAT messages we listen to.

No offense, but that is a pretty pessimistic attitude. It supports the world view that we are largely, or even exclusively, victims of society at large, and that our entertainment choices are not choices at all, but thoughts and behaviors forced on us by Big Media. If you and your friends were a bunch of druggies in your youth, well it can't be YOUR choice, it must have been those rockers, urging you to do things you nice Christian upbringing would never have had you do. Same with music today, it can't be that teenagers are horny as hell, like they've always been, it MUST that damn music's fault. Heaven forbid that the culture of personal responsibility take personal responsibility for anything.

But it's not just the fact that you're attitude is pretty sad that makes me disagree, it's that basic common sense doesn't really support your theory. After all, while it's certainly possible that kids (and even adults) are influenced by what they listen to, why would they listen to something that goes against their values in the first place? It's quite possible that listening to Toby Keith day in and day out would turn me into a red-stater Republican, but why would I pick up his album in the first place considering I think he's a big tool? Rhetoric aside, we are hardly "bombarded" with music, we have significant choice as to what we choose to listen to. If someone chooses to listen to music with a "bad" message, chances are it's because they already lean that way. Yeah, it probably doesn't help, and it probably DOES reinforce the behavior...but I wouldn't blame the music, something was wrong with the person before they picked up their first CD.

Personally I think this is just the latest in a long line of attempts for today's adults to dodge responsibility...it can't be the fact that they are crummy parents, it must be that evil music or evil video games!

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Music is largely about self-expression, the music you listen to is far more likely to reflect your personality traits than to cause them. Country music listeners are far more likely to vote Republican, but listening to Toby Keith isn't going to turn you into a fawning Bush supporter. Much of the argument against TV, movies, music and video games causing "undesirable behavior" is suspect, but music is especially questionable, as music really does tend to be a reflection of your personality rather than a cause for it.

I don't see it as being so much different then the way my generation was bombarded with music glamorizing drugs.
The lyrics encouraged experimentation, the rockstars themselves were outspoken abusers of narcotics and halucinagenics. ie....(od'ers Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix...etc)
To say this had zero effect on my friends and myself , I think would be absurd. It became part of the teen culture of that generation.

To say that music , and its superstars, that has an extreme sexual content and degrades women in general as ho's. And then pump this message into your head over and over all day long with your ipods has zero effect seems to me also to be slightly naive.

I didn't say music has zero effect on the psyche of the person listening to it, I suggested that music is much more of a reflection, rather than a cause, of certain behaviors. If there is any effect, I'd say it would be more reinforcement than anything else. You suggest that your generation (and presumably mine and the current one as well) are "bombarded" with music glamorizing certain behaviors, and that this music encourages experimentation, implying that the music causes behaviors people otherwise wouldn't have tried. In other words, we're all simply passive recipients of music, that we are unable to make decisions about the message, or even actively choose WHAT messages we listen to.

Of course its still a personal choice. But a continual reinforcement of any value or characteristic is going to have an effect on a child. Its because children are impressionable and very subject to peer pressure. Lets take a more common behaviour. Lets say as A parent I constantly encourage Johnny, praising johnny for good behaviour, good academics, good personal choices that is going to have an effect on how Johnny grows up and how he feels about himself and others. In the same regard if I tell Johnny over and over he is stupid, worthless. an inconvenience to me, I didn't want him, he was an accident that negative message again helps form Johnnys worldview in how he feels about himself and others.
Johnny worldview is also formed a great deal by his friends, if johnny's into music probably by his favorite band, if he is in to sports , probably by his favorite Jock.
Its still all his choice and he has personal responsability. But the more positives you bring into a childs life generally that will affect his worldview in a positive way.
Thats why we try as responsable parents to teach our kids work hard, hang out with good friends, respect authority...ie obey the laws, respect other people property, don't watch crap on tv find something worthwhile or shut it off.
And a good parent will take responsability and do those things and hope that as a child grows he/she also sees the value of them.
Why then should our culture be so intent upon destroying those things?
And glamorize music that treats women as sex objects. Thats not beneficial to our culture or our chidren.



No offense, but that is a pretty pessimistic attitude. It supports the world view that we are largely, or even exclusively, victims of society at large, and that our entertainment choices are not choices at all, but thoughts and behaviors forced on us by Big Media. If you and your friends were a bunch of druggies in your youth, well it can't be YOUR choice, it must have been those rockers, urging you to do things you nice Christian upbringing would never have had you do. Same with music today, it can't be that teenagers are horny as hell, like they've always been, it MUST that damn music's fault. Heaven forbid that the culture of personal responsibility take personal responsibility for anything.

You assume I had a christian upbringing. Why? My parents like many others in todays society they didn't pay attention to who I hung out with, or where I went . They didn't understand that the concerts we went to were one big party. they couldn't understand most of our music so they missed the constant reinforcing message of how cool it was to get stoned.
Yes, they were still my choices ultimately, but does that completely exxonerate society? Does it not take a village to raise a child?
What you would have me believe is that people like Budwieser spend millions and millions of dollars every year on advertising because it doesn't influence people at all.
They just do it out of charity and the goodness of thier heart?
Got new for you friend Madison Ave is very effective.


But it's not just the fact that you're attitude is pretty sad that makes me disagree, it's that basic common sense doesn't really support your theory. After all, while it's certainly possible that kids (and even adults) are influenced by what they listen to, why would they listen to something that goes against their values in the first place?

(Because its cool and I want to be accepted is often all the prompting a teen needs)
A teens values are not fully formed at 14-15 years of age.

It's quite possible that listening to Toby Keith day in and day out would turn me into a red-stater Republican, but why would I pick up his album in the first place considering I think he's a big tool?

If I liked country music I would suggest it would be a good experiment for you, but I can't stand country.

Rhetoric aside, we are hardly "bombarded" with music, we have significant choice as to what we choose to listen to. If someone chooses to listen to music with a "bad" message, chances are it's because they already lean that way. Yeah, it probably doesn't help, and it probably DOES reinforce the behavior...but I wouldn't blame the music, something was wrong with the person before they picked up their first CD.

You conceed and then you deny it..which is it?

Personally I think this is just the latest in a long line of attempts for today's adults to dodge responsibility...it can't be the fact that they are crummy parents, it must be that evil music or evil video games!

I think its a combination so we are not totally disagreeing.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: alchemize
When I was a teenager a brisk breeze caused me to want to have sex as well. Ban wind?

This is the parents job...always has been, always will be.

Still does, but I guess it's a lack of a wife that causes that?

What does sex have to do with a wife?

 

[DealMonkey]

"It's like the town from Footloose times a million!"

 

[judasmachine]

I say we ban hormones, they make people have sex.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Music is largely about self-expression, the music you listen to is far more likely to reflect your personality traits than to cause them. Country music listeners are far more likely to vote Republican, but listening to Toby Keith isn't going to turn you into a fawning Bush supporter. Much of the argument against TV, movies, music and video games causing "undesirable behavior" is suspect, but music is especially questionable, as music really does tend to be a reflection of your personality rather than a cause for it.

I don't see it as being so much different then the way my generation was bombarded with music glamorizing drugs.
The lyrics encouraged experimentation, the rockstars themselves were outspoken abusers of narcotics and halucinagenics. ie....(od'ers Janis Joplin, Jimmy Hendrix...etc)
To say this had zero effect on my friends and myself , I think would be absurd. It became part of the teen culture of that generation.

To say that music , and its superstars, that has an extreme sexual content and degrades women in general as ho's. And then pump this message into your head over and over all day long with your ipods has zero effect seems to me also to be slightly naive.

I didn't say music has zero effect on the psyche of the person listening to it, I suggested that music is much more of a reflection, rather than a cause, of certain behaviors. If there is any effect, I'd say it would be more reinforcement than anything else. You suggest that your generation (and presumably mine and the current one as well) are "bombarded" with music glamorizing certain behaviors, and that this music encourages experimentation, implying that the music causes behaviors people otherwise wouldn't have tried. In other words, we're all simply passive recipients of music, that we are unable to make decisions about the message, or even actively choose WHAT messages we listen to.

Of course its still a personal choice. But a continual reinforcement of any value or characteristic is going to have an effect on a child. Its because children are impressionable and very subject to peer pressure. Lets take a more common behaviour. Lets say as A parent I constantly encourage Johnny, praising johnny for good behaviour, good academics, good personal choices that is going to have an effect on how Johnny grows up and how he feels about himself and others. In the same regard if I tell Johnny over and over he is stupid, worthless. an inconvenience to me, I didn't want him, he was an accident that negative message again helps form Johnnys worldview in how he feels about himself and others.
Johnny worldview is also formed a great deal by his friends, if johnny's into music probably by his favorite band, if he is in to sports , probably by his favorite Jock.
Its still all his choice and he has personal responsability. But the more positives you bring into a childs life generally that will affect his worldview in a positive way.
Thats why we try as responsable parents to teach our kids work hard, hang out with good friends, respect authority...ie obey the laws, respect other people property, don't watch crap on tv find something worthwhile or shut it off.
And a good parent will take responsability and do those things and hope that as a child grows he/she also sees the value of them.
Why then should our culture be so intent upon destroying those things?
And glamorize music that treats women as sex objects. Thats not beneficial to our culture or our chidren.



No offense, but that is a pretty pessimistic attitude. It supports the world view that we are largely, or even exclusively, victims of society at large, and that our entertainment choices are not choices at all, but thoughts and behaviors forced on us by Big Media. If you and your friends were a bunch of druggies in your youth, well it can't be YOUR choice, it must have been those rockers, urging you to do things you nice Christian upbringing would never have had you do. Same with music today, it can't be that teenagers are horny as hell, like they've always been, it MUST that damn music's fault. Heaven forbid that the culture of personal responsibility take personal responsibility for anything.

You assume I had a christian upbringing. Why? My parents like many others in todays society they didn't pay attention to who I hung out with, or where I went . They didn't understand that the concerts we went to were one big party. they couldn't understand most of our music so they missed the constant reinforcing message of how cool it was to get stoned.
Yes, they were still my choices ultimately, but does that completely exxonerate society? Does it not take a village to raise a child?
What you would have me believe is that people like Budwieser spend millions and millions of dollars every year on advertising because it doesn't influence people at all.
They just do it out of charity and the goodness of thier heart?
Got new for you friend Madison Ave is very effective.


But it's not just the fact that you're attitude is pretty sad that makes me disagree, it's that basic common sense doesn't really support your theory. After all, while it's certainly possible that kids (and even adults) are influenced by what they listen to, why would they listen to something that goes against their values in the first place?

(Because its cool and I want to be accepted is often all the prompting a teen needs)
A teens values are not fully formed at 14-15 years of age.

It's quite possible that listening to Toby Keith day in and day out would turn me into a red-stater Republican, but why would I pick up his album in the first place considering I think he's a big tool?

If I liked country music I would suggest it would be a good experiment for you, but I can't stand country.

Rhetoric aside, we are hardly "bombarded" with music, we have significant choice as to what we choose to listen to. If someone chooses to listen to music with a "bad" message, chances are it's because they already lean that way. Yeah, it probably doesn't help, and it probably DOES reinforce the behavior...but I wouldn't blame the music, something was wrong with the person before they picked up their first CD.

You conceed and then you deny it..which is it?

Personally I think this is just the latest in a long line of attempts for today's adults to dodge responsibility...it can't be the fact that they are crummy parents, it must be that evil music or evil video games!

I think its a combination so we are not totally disagreeing.

I agree that we aren't totally disagreeing

I think I'd sum up my rather contradictory views on the topic this way...I think the messages in music (and TV and video games) can reinforce traits already present in the minds of certain people, but I don't think the music CAUSES those traits to appear out of thin air. If you are some skanky teenage ho, listening to Britney Spears all day probably isn't going to help...but if you are a nice, chaste Christian girl who's waiting for marriage, I don't think listening to Britney is going to make you suddenly want to do the horizontal mambo any more than you did before. Same with video games...if you are some trench coat wearing punk who wants to kill everyone who's mean to you, playing GTA all day is probably not the best medicine, but playing GTA isn't going to turn an alter boy into a crazed killer. So suggesting popular entertainment CAUSES undesirable behavior isn't exactly correct, chances are that person was like that before.

By the way, I find it interesting that this issue is one of the few in this country that doesn't seem to split along conservative/liberal lines. Despite conservatives' dislike of Hillary Clinton, they seem to agree with her "it takes a village to raise a child" idea quite often, and Republicans and Democrats seem to share in the ranting against popular culture...Sen. Lieberman is a great crusader against video games. It's an interesting study in how people really hash out the issues instead of just splitting along party lines, I wish there were more issues like this, honestly.

 

[Jadow]

This is another study that leads to false conclusions.

Does listening to the music cause them to have sex, or are the kind of teens who listen to music with explicit lyrics more prone to earlier sex?

 

[Kadarin]

I can't see the RIAA caring about this. They are more concerned with people pirating vs buying music, rather than what effect that music has.