Teddy Worked With US Enemies To Beat Reagan

[BarrySotero]

A reporter from the London Times was picking through newly opened Soviet Archives archives in 1991 when he found a memorandum from 1983. The memorandum was from KGB chief to Soviet leader Yuri Andropov.

The subject was Teddy, and a law school buddy of his ( and former senator from CA) that Kennedy sent to USSR to convey a message for him.

The confidential message was about a proposed deal where Kennedy offered to help the USSR to deal with Reagan. In return, Kennedy wanted the USSR to help Democrats beat Reagan in 1984.

From the linked article:

"The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

Kennedy's offer to Andropov specified that he would visit USSR and coach them about nuclear disarmament so the would be better able to negotiate for nuclear disarmament . Kennedy also would help the Soviets with the propaganda useful for dealing with Reagan. Kennedy also offered to get Andropov on US network television while making it look like America invited him and that appearances would not seem rigged.

Kennedy's messenger told Soviets Kennedy wanted to run for prezzy in 1988



Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/...ts-peter-robinson.html



From an article interviewing Paul Kengor the historian who verified documents and wrote a book about them:

"Kennedy believed that the Soviet problem was a communication problem, resulting from an inability to counter Reagan?s (not the USSR?s) ?propaganda.? If only Americans could get through Reagan?s smokescreen and hear the Soviets? peaceful intentions."

So, there was a plan, or at least a suggested plan, to hook up Andropov and other senior apparatchiks with the American media, where they could better present their message and make their case. Specifically, the names of Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters are mentioned in the document. Also, Kennedy himself would travel to Moscow to meet with the dictator."

Kengor also explains how he was shot out from most media. Kennedy and his office never denied the documents.


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[IronWing]

Ted Kennedy won the Cold War.

 

[glenn1]

Who fvkcing cares at this point? The man is dead, let his maker be the judge of his actions.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: glenn1
Who fvkcing cares at this point? The man is dead, let his maker be the judge of his actions.

He prevented an escalation of the Cold War??? The Republican God will be angry!!!

 

[Craig234]

This article is by a right-wing writer - he wrote speeches for Reagan, a president who thought sponsoring death squads and subverting the constitution were good ideas.

Where's your thread on the reports that Nixon actually did commit treasonour acts, unlike Kennedy, sending word to the South Vietnamese government while LBJ was trying to work out a peace treaty in 1968 that if the South Vietnamese refused any deals, Nixon would do them favors - because the Democrats being unable to get peace would help Nixon in the election. Won't expect to hear from you on that, since you are only concerned with attacking one side, and not too concerned you get it correct.

Leaders from nations have relationship. JFK commiserated with Kruschev about how they both had their right-wing governments trying to push them into wars they did not want.

If a leader wants better relations with a country, feels that the 'cold war' is unnecessarily hot and counterproductive, working with a foriegn leader to help them convey intent of peace is hardly unpatriotic. He wasn't handing over state secrets, he wasn't harming US interests, he was helping relations.

It's clear that while the USSR was a very flawed nation and had plenty of teribble things about it, the claims of the US were wrong over and over about the USSR.

Everywhere you turned, anyone doing anything the US didn't like was accused of being a Soviet puppet - and sometimes paid with their lives when there was no truth to it.

The USSR put the nations surrounding it under tyranny - but not intending to start a global takeover as the US claimed for decades, but as a defenseive move wanting a buffer against invasion - the US had invaded the USSR as early as just after its revolution, sending in Marines with other West European nations, in an action few Americans have been taught about - and after WWII when the Soviets watched the allies not rush much to get involved while the USSR took 65% of all the military casualties in the war, while the US and Britain took 2% each. JFK had early started efforts towards warming relations with the USSR, and Ted Kennedy appears to have been doing similar.

But the criticism is extremely partisan, demonizing efforts for peace by Kennedy while ignoring and apologizing for crimes by Reagan.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Iran-Contra actually happened under Reagan, it's fact not allegation.

But if you want to trade rumors, Reagan allegedly collaborated with Iran to keep US citizens hostage until after he'd won the election from Carter.

One of the leading, national issues during that year was the release of 52 Americans being held hostage since November 4, 1979, in Iran. [1] Reagan won the election. On the day of his inauguration?in fact, twenty minutes after he concluded his inaugural address?the Islamic Republic of Iran announced the release of the hostages. The timing gave rise to an allegation that representatives of Reagan's presidential campaign had conspired with Iran to delay the release until after the election in order to thwart President Carter from pulling off an "October surprise".

According to the allegation, the Reagan Administration would have rewarded Iran for its participation in the plot by supplying Iran with weapons and by unblocking Iranian government monetary assets in US banks.

-- tinfoilers @ wikipedia

 

[LunarRay]

Ah... the lord does work in strange ways...

I'll see your Kennedy and raise you two Nixons and two Reagans...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero


A reporter from the London Times was picking through newly opened Soviet Archives archives in 1991 when he found a memorandum from 1983. The memorandum was from KGB chief to Soviet leader Yuri Andropov.

The subject was Teddy, and a law school buddy of his ( and former senator from CA) that Kennedy sent to USSR to convey a message for him.

The confidential message was about a proposed deal where Kennedy offered to help the USSR to deal with Reagan. In return, Kennedy wanted the USSR to help Democrats beat Reagan in 1984.

From the linked article:

"The only real potential threats to Reagan are problems of war and peace and Soviet-American relations," the memorandum stated. "These issues, according to the senator, will without a doubt become the most important of the election campaign."

Kennedy's offer to Andropov specified that he would visit USSR and coach them about nuclear disarmament so the would be better able to negotiate for nuclear disarmament . Kennedy also would help the Soviets with the propaganda useful for dealing with Reagan. Kennedy also offered to get Andropov on US network television while making it look like America invited him and that appearances would not seem rigged.

Kennedy's messenger told Soviets Kennedy wanted to run for prezzy in 1988



Ted Kennedy's Soviet Gambit
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/...ts-peter-robinson.html



From an article interviewing Paul Kengor the historian who verified documents and wrote a book about them:

"Kennedy believed that the Soviet problem was a communication problem, resulting from an inability to counter Reagan?s (not the USSR?s) ?propaganda.? If only Americans could get through Reagan?s smokescreen and hear the Soviets? peaceful intentions."

So, there was a plan, or at least a suggested plan, to hook up Andropov and other senior apparatchiks with the American media, where they could better present their message and make their case. Specifically, the names of Walter Cronkite and Barbara Walters are mentioned in the document. Also, Kennedy himself would travel to Moscow to meet with the dictator."

Kengor also explains how he was shot out from most media. Kennedy and his office never denied the documents.


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hahahahahahahaha

 

[BarrySotero]

Bla bla "right-wing author"..bla bla Reagan did bla bla...

The facts are the ultimate liberal icon not only left a young girl gasping in an air pocket for 2 hours (and didn't call for help for her but did make many calls to friends to save his butt) but he betrayed the country with US enemies just because of a political rival he hated. This is relevant since Obama, Holder and Dems are attacking CIA etc and letting terrorists and militants skate - just to satisfy Bush hate. Wasn't there a book about libs called "The Enemy Within" ? It's fitting that a disaster Obamacare might be named after a guy guilty of negligent homicide and treason to boot. Stick that in your Contra pipe and smoke it.

 

[Vic]

Don't feed the troll.

 

[seemingly random]

Sad to see any troll self destruct but then that's the natural order of things - the universe ridding itself of defects.

 

[BarrySotero]

Well that was seemingly random...

Keep in mind the document was well vetted (more than well vetted)

"FP: Did you have the document vetted? (asked of historian Paul Kengor)

Kengor: Of course. It comes from the Central Committee archives of the former USSR. Once Boris Yeltsin took over Russia in 1991, he immediately began opening the Soviet archives, which led to a rush on the archives by Western researchers. One of them, Tim Sebastian of the London Times and BBC, found the Kennedy document and reported it in the February 2, 1992 edition of the Times, in an article titled, ?Teddy, the KGB and the top secret file.?

But this electrifying revelation stopped there; it went no further. Never made it across the Atlantic. Not a single American news organization, from what I can tell, picked up the story. Apparently, it just wasn?t interesting enough, nor newsworthy.

Western scholars, however, had more integrity, and responded: they went to the archives to procure their own copy. So, several copies have circulated for a decade and a half.

I got my copy when a reader of Frontpage Magazine, named Marko Suprun, whose father survived Stalin?s 1930s genocide in the Ukraine, alerted me to the document. He apparently had spent years trying to get the American media to take a look at the document, but, again, our journalists simply weren?t intrigued. He knew I was researching Reagan and the Cold War. He sent me a copy. I first authenticated it through Herb Romerstein, the Venona researcher and widely respected expert who knows more about the Communist Party and archival research beyond the former Iron Curtain than anyone. I also had a number of scholars read the original and the translation, including Harvard?s Richard Pipes.

Of course, all of those steps were extra, extra, extra precautions, since the reporter for the London Times had done all that work in the first place. He went into the archive, pulled it off the shelf, and the Times ran with the story. This wasn?t rocket science. I simply wanted to be extra careful, especially since our media did not cover it at all. I now understand that that blackout by the American media was the result of liberal bias. At first I didn?t think our media could be that bad, even though I knew from studies and anecdotal experience that our press is largely liberal, but now I?ve learned firsthand that the bias is truly breathtaking"



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[Hayabusa Rider]

Craig I don't know if this is real or not but this was no noble gesture, this was a quid pro quo if true. Helping world peace my ass.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Craig I don't know if this is real or not but this was no noble gesture, this was a quid pro quo if true. Helping world peace my ass.

Pursuing world peace and political victory are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

When President Polk started the war with Mexico, and Rep. Lincoln led the Republican party in opposing the war, peace would like also bring political benefits to Republicans.

If you don't think Presidents pursue peace with an eye on maintaining their political standing, you're naive about how it works.

That doesn't mean, before you rush down the slippery slope, that peace is nothing but a political gimmick - if they have to they might pursue peace at the expense of politics.

But they'll try to get both - which can result in a sort of 'quid pro quo' at times. Which isn't some dastardly phrase, it depends on the specifics.

What, exactly, was Kennedy going to get from the USSR that was harmful to the US?

If a political leader believes the President is warmongering, and that the truth is more peaceful, then it's his responsibility to try to get the truth out as he sees it.

On the other hand, Reagan had a 'quid pro quo' of missiles for hostages, now didn't he - who knows what the quid quo pro was as he askd Israel to broker the deal, while he provided the marines they wanted to assist them in the invasion of Lebanon. This article is out to demonize Kennedy, you have to try to get to the facts, not accept its insinuations unquestioningly.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Craig234

What, exactly, was Kennedy going to get from the USSR that was harmful to the US?

Possibly a Kennedy presidency if his plans panned out?

If a political leader believes the President is warmongering, and that the truth is more peaceful, then it's his responsibility to try to get the truth out as he sees it.

Exactly -- enlisting the sworn enemy to spread this "truth" is a GENIUS plan. :roll:

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: Craig234
If a political leader believes the President is warmongering, and that the truth is more peaceful, then it's his responsibility to try to get the truth out as he sees it.

Does your real name happen to be Jane or Aldrich?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Bla bla "right-wing author"..bla bla Reagan did bla bla...

The facts are the ultimate liberal icon not only left a young girl gasping in an air pocket for 2 hours (and didn't call for help for her but did make many calls to friends to save his butt) but he betrayed the country with US enemies just because of a political rival he hated. This is relevant since Obama, Holder and Dems are attacking CIA etc and letting terrorists and militants skate - just to satisfy Bush hate. Wasn't there a book about libs called "The Enemy Within" ? It's fitting that a disaster Obamacare might be named after a guy guilty of negligent homicide and treason to boot. Stick that in your Contra pipe and smoke it.

Sour grapes. Ted won the Cold War and you got nothing.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: Vic
Don't feed the troll.

++

Why respond at all to him?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

There is much about swimmer that the sheep don't want to know about and will thus ridicule those who dare speak of swimmer's destructive and some would say treasonous actions.

 

[IronWing]

The code does not compile.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Bla bla "right-wing author"..bla bla Reagan did bla bla...

The facts are the ultimate liberal icon not only left a young girl gasping in an air pocket for 2 hours (and didn't call for help for her but did make many calls to friends to save his butt) but he betrayed the country with US enemies just because of a political rival he hated. This is relevant since Obama, Holder and Dems are attacking CIA etc and letting terrorists and militants skate - just to satisfy Bush hate. Wasn't there a book about libs called "The Enemy Within" ? It's fitting that a disaster Obamacare might be named after a guy guilty of negligent homicide and treason to boot. Stick that in your Contra pipe and smoke it.

Sour grapes. Ted won the Cold War and you got nothing.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.....HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO.....HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE. Thanks for the laugh, that was GREAT!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BarrySotero

Topic Title: Teddy Worked With US Enemies To Beat Reagan
Topic Summary: Naming Health-Care Deform After Kennedy Makes Sense

You are a true turd in the punchbowl of life.

RIP, Teddy. Thanks for the good you did to help so many. :wine:

Thanks for your superb leadership in sponsoring the Americans With Disabilities Act, Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), Family Opportunity Act of 2006, civil rights, gay rights, voters rights, women's rights, education and so much more. :thumbsup:

 

[Phokus]

Reagan supported rightwing death squads in Latin America which killed innocent people.

Also, Iran Contra.

Reagan should have been impeached and executed.

 

[BoomerD]

Since Ronnie Rayguns was an enemy of the United States...this may have been justified.

 

[BarrySotero]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Reagan supported rightwing death squads in Latin America which killed innocent people.

Also, Iran Contra.

Reagan should have been impeached and executed.

Congress also supported the "death squads" that fought the Marxists until there were frree elections and Oretga (accused of being a child molester by his step-daughter) was sent packing. The reason North pulled the arms transfer to Contras was because Congress pulled funding after getting them in the fight - thus hanging them out to dry. None of this is remotely like a senator contacting the 1983 version of the USSR and seeking/offering help to defeat GOP candidate - and offering the help of network TV.