Ted Cruz goes full retard: Net Neutrality is Obamacare for Internet

[Fern]

You guys probably know a lot more about this than I, but I'd caution you to be careful:

The Federal Communications Commission is forming rules to regulate whether internet service providers can charge certain websites for faster speeds, or, conversely, block or limit those who don't pay. According to a Wall Street Journal report last Friday, the rules are so complicated that the FCC most likely won't finish them until the end of the year.

I think it might be a good idea to see and understand these "complicated" rules before forming an opinion.

On Monday, Obama called for the internet to be reclassified as a utility service.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-...macare-for-the-internet-2014-11#ixzz3Ihz1JkWy

Ditto for the consequences of such a reclassification.

We've heard an awful lot of stuff from this admin which has turned out to be untrue and/or outright lies. I'm wary of govt intrusion into the internet.

Fern

 

[theeedude]

Did he get teaparty approval first?

Shepherds don't need the sheep's approval.

 

[theeedude]

You guys probably know a lot more about this than I, but I'd caution you to be careful:



I think it might be a good idea to see and understand these "complicated" rules before forming an opinion.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-...macare-for-the-internet-2014-11#ixzz3Ihz1JkWy

Ditto for the consequences of such a reclassification.

We've heard an awful lot of stuff from this admin which has turned out to be untrue and/or outright lies. I'm wary of govt intrusion into the internet.

Fern

They are complicated because the industry wants them that way.

 

[Engineer]

I'm wary of govt intrusion into the internet.

Fern

The government should have just kept it. Private industry in the US is just fucking it up with pure greed. The rest of the world is moving forward with high speed Internet infrastructure for citizens and ours is moving backwards. More money for less speed and the ability for the ISP to pick winners and losers unless they get paid twice...once by the consumer and once by the winner.

 

[TechBoyJK]

You guys probably know a lot more about this than I, but I'd caution you to be careful:



I think it might be a good idea to see and understand these "complicated" rules before forming an opinion.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ted-...macare-for-the-internet-2014-11#ixzz3Ihz1JkWy

Ditto for the consequences of such a reclassification.

We've heard an awful lot of stuff from this admin which has turned out to be untrue and/or outright lies. I'm wary of govt intrusion into the internet.

Fern

Regardless, I don't think any of that minimizes the stupidity of comparing Net Neutrality to ObamaCare.

 

[cyclohexane]

where are the Anandtech repubs coming in to denounce Cruz? No one?

Can't say I'm surprised, bunch of hypocrites.

 

[soulcougher73]

You never go full Repub.

Glad i wasnt drinking anything when i read this. :awe:

 

[Bitek]

Its an embarrassment the dems lost to these clowns.

Such concise stupidity.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Um, no.

It speaks volumes about how people in Red States vote, nothing more.

Really? I could have sworn the reason the Senate will be in GOP control is that Dems lost seats to the GOP candidates.

 

[trenchfoot]

Beware of ObamaNet. By declaring net neutrality as right and proper he is seeking to give full ownership of the internet to fellow Democrat Al Gore, the guy who invented the whole thing.

Let the big ISP providers take care of it themselves and charge what they want and how they want. I'm sure they know what's best for every person who uses the internet. I'm so certain they will not try to further monopolize and gouge the public because I heard it on FOX News the big IPS's only want what's fair and balanced.

 

[Fern]

Regardless, I don't think any of that minimizes the stupidity of comparing Net Neutrality to ObamaCare.

We'll see.

There's a reason I've urged caution:

In a newly surfaced video, one of Obamacare’s architects admits a “lack of transparency” helped the Obama administration and congressional Democrats pass the Affordable Care Act. The conservative group American Commitment posted Jonathan Gruber’s remarks, reportedly from an Oct. 17, 2013, event, on YouTube.

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” says the MIT economist who helped write Obamacare. “And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/sh...use-america-was-deceived/#21jgRHTfPhqT9KQ8.99

Again, I'm wary of "complicated" rules. We've seen how that worked out with Obamacare/ACA. If the above quote is accurate, I'd be wary of similar tactics regarding the internet. It may be only my opinion, but I believe a govt has an inherent urge to control things, everything. I've watched as many other govt's have, or attempted to, place controls on the internet. And I don't put it past our govt to do the same.

Once a govt starts placing rules on a thing they never stop. The rules may be benign at the beginning, but they always seem to grow to unrecognizable heights. People are clamoring for the govt to step in and stopped a tiered approach to net bandwidth. I understand and agree with the opposition to that, but I'm wary of utilizing govt rules to prevent because I fear those rules will eventually grow and morph into something I oppose even more. You always lose when making a 'deal with the devil'.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

We'll see.

There's a reason I've urged caution:

Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/sh...use-america-was-deceived/#21jgRHTfPhqT9KQ8.99

Again, I'm wary of "complicated" rules. We've seen how that worked out with Obamacare/ACA. If the above quote is accurate, I'd be wary of similar tactics regarding the internet. It may be only my opinion, but I believe a govt has an inherent urge to control things, everything. I've watched as many other govt's have, or attempted to, place controls on the internet. And I don't put it past our govt to do the same.

Once a govt starts placing rules on a thing they never stop. The rules may be benign at the beginning, but they always seem to grow to unrecognizable heights. People are clamoring for the govt to step in and stopped a tiered approach to net bandwidth. I understand and agree with the opposition to that, but I'm wary of utilizing govt rules to prevent because I fear those rules will eventually grow and morph into something I oppose even more. You always lose when making a 'deal with the devil'.

Fern

The government already regulates telecoms and the idea that the government is the "devil" is ridiculous.

Telecom companies currently operate like a cartel and things are just getting worse. Utility regulation most certainly CAN stifle competition, but competition is already nearly nonexistent. At the state level things are often getting even worse with companies colluding with state legislators to prohibit municipalities from making their own competition.

It's hard to see a solution to this that doesn't involve the government, either through breaking the cartel up or by stripping it of some of its powers through utility regulation.

As it exists right now we have all of the bad parts of a government regulated monopoly (low competition) and yet we combine that with the profit seeking motive of private companies. There's a reason why these companies always top the list of the most hated corporate entities in the country year after year.

 

[Paul98]

I can not wait till I get fiber internet from a local company sometime next year with no caps and 1 gig being the lowest speed.

 

[5150Joker]

Ted Cruz and the Tea Party are fucking retards but Obama is a hypocrite. Who put a corporate shill like Wheeler in charge of the FCC? Wasn't it Obama? Yeah thought so.

Tom Wheeler became the 31st Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) on November 4, 2013. Chairman Wheeler was appointed by President Barack Obama and unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate.

Face it, both dems and republicans/tea party are corporate slaves and none of them give a shit about the average American. They'll bullshit you with speeches and maybe pass 1-2 token laws but the rest of their policies are to serve their corporate overlords.

 

[Engineer]

I can not wait till I get fiber internet from a local company sometime next year with no caps and 1 gig being the lowest speed.

You moving to another country like the Netherlands or Japan?

 

[master_shake_]

imagine a world without net neutrality.

looks a lot like cable tv to me.

 

[trenchfoot]

We'll see.

There's a reason I've urged caution:



Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/sh...use-america-was-deceived/#21jgRHTfPhqT9KQ8.99

Again, I'm wary of "complicated" rules. We've seen how that worked out with Obamacare/ACA. If the above quote is accurate, I'd be wary of similar tactics regarding the internet. It may be only my opinion, but I believe a govt has an inherent urge to control things, everything. I've watched as many other govt's have, or attempted to, place controls on the internet. And I don't put it past our govt to do the same.

Once a govt starts placing rules on a thing they never stop. The rules may be benign at the beginning, but they always seem to grow to unrecognizable heights. People are clamoring for the govt to step in and stopped a tiered approach to net bandwidth. I understand and agree with the opposition to that, but I'm wary of utilizing govt rules to prevent because I fear those rules will eventually grow and morph into something I oppose even more. You always lose when making a 'deal with the devil'.

Fern

Words of wisdom as far as I'm concerned.:thumbsup:

My concern though is that when gov't gets involved, it's actually those folks that bought out and corrupted our politicians that will, in the end, get to write legislation by their hand and, after hacking away the obfuscated fine print, have things their way anyway.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Ted Cruz and the Tea Party are fucking retards but Obama is a hypocrite. Who put a corporate shill like Wheeler in charge of the FCC? Wasn't it Obama? Yeah thought so.

Face it, both dems and republicans/tea party are corporate slaves and none of them give a shit about the average American. They'll bullshit you with speeches and maybe pass 1-2 token laws but the rest of their policies are to serve their corporate overlords.

It all matters on what you think his goal was in declaring himself for Net Neutrality. If, for example, you think that Obama's real goal is to make sure that a Republican Congress ties the FCC's hands so that there is no way we can get Net Neutrality then Obama's strategy is pretty brilliant.

 

[MongGrel]

He has unleash the wrath of the interweb upon himself... poor guy

:biggrin:

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You never go full Repub.

Beer almost spewed from my nose.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Net Neutrality is a red-herring. It is there for political brownie points but it does not address the core issue and problem with broadband access in the US.

The real issue with broadband in the US is the total lack of competition that has not and will not occur regardless of how net neutrality plays out.

**"ITS A LACK OF COMPETITION STUPID !!".**

It is not a lack of government involvement. Especially when companies like Comcast are in fact the de facto monopoly that has been chosen by local and state governments and thus the only real game in most towns in terms of a fast broadband provider. Neither is it an issue that ALL data packets should be given access to the bill of rights and considered "EQUAL" under god or some other bullshit.

Especially when the reality is sometimes certain large quantities of data along with the large consumers of this data or producers of that data within a network should indeed pay more because they can and often do cause increased network traffic and congestion which necessitates that ISP's expand their networks to keep speeds up for the rest of their customers and all of that costs money.

The real crux of the problem is the complete lack of viable choices for consumers compared to say cell phone providers of which you can find myriads of providers from the big boys like T-MOBILE, AT&T, to local firms or specialized firms like Tracfone, etc. So unless Obama is ready to throw open the floodgates and forbid local ISP monopolies from dominating localities and allow the same level of competition seen with cellular companies well then this is nothing but politics as usual and most of you bit into it hook line and sinker.

 

[Thebobo]

Obama should come out and say the sky is blue.

 

[Newell Steamer]

It makes sense why he would say it; he is convinced that Obamacare is a frightening phrase and people will cower at it's mere mention,...

So, does this mean there will be claims of Deadspot Panels under Net Neutrality?

Or, how Net Neutrality will crush countless of small businesses?

How about how Net Neutrality will force other people to pay for the internet of people who aren't willing to work?

I once heard someone who knew someone that lived across the street from a woman that worked with another woman who lived across town from a guy that overheard someone on a bus say how Net Neutrality will cost America 650,000 jobs.

Again, look at the party this man represents; it makes sense why he would try to scare Americans like this. Worst of all; similar conservative defective American minds will believe what Ted said - and, (just as expected) label his critics as someone who is causing all this hub-bub because it will fulfill point #495 of the Liberal Agenda.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

imagine a world without net neutrality.

looks a lot like cable tv to me.

If there were no net neutrality but we had competition it would still be a better world then one with net neutrality and ZERO competition. The enter debate on net-neutrality serves nothing more then a means to astro-turf the issue of a lack of competition in the marketplace which is the REAL problem here.

 

[Fern]

Obama should come out and say the sky is blue.

So he'd be on record as being correct at least once?

Fern

 

[Sonikku]

Way to play it neutral like Poland, Obama. No good ever came from being neutral. This is AMERICA. If he had a lick of sense he would back off this issue and grease the wheels of the Comcast merger so they can accelerate their plans of maximizing my consumer experience and bring me in on the ground floor of dedicated Comcast customer service and reliability.