Ted Cruz Chastises Beto O’Rourke For F-Bombs, But Only Makes Him Seem Cooler

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Starbuck1975

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He didn't walk because he was rich. Nor did he avoid justice. As a first time offender he was offered an avoidance program in exchange for having the charges dropped. Basically DWI school. His life since has been a testament to the change he has made. It's been nearly 20 years now and his life in those 20 years has been exemplary.
I wouldn’t call it exemplary at all. In addition to the alternate ajudication program, he also had burglary charges dropped. He was in his 20s at the time, not a teenager making mistakes. He benefitted from his father being a judge. Isn’t this the privilege some of you so often point out?

As a teen, I made a similar mistake, driving an unregistered car without a license or insurance. I entered a similar program, and offered to join the US Army in exchange for the dismissal of charges.
Guess your dad wasn’t a judge that could pull some strings on your behalf

Young people make stupid mistakes.
He was 26 at the time. That is not young. That is an adult with full faculty.

Old people like you make even stupider mistakes like thinking a young person should pay the rest of their lives for a stupid mistake that hurt no one.
LOL. I am not old and his mistakes were not the result of youthful indiscretion.

I'm very much in favor of taking responsibility for one's mistakes. But after that a person must be allowed to prove they have changed. Beto has done a tremendous job doing just that.
By insider trading?

You're way off base here. I suspect it's related more to political bias than actual outrage over his youthful transgressions.
I am not off base at all. Mistakes made at 26 are not youthful transgressions. There is a pattern of behavior.
 

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I wouldn’t call it exemplary at all. In addition to the alternate ajudication program, he also had burglary charges dropped. He was in his 20s at the time, not a teenager making mistakes. He benefitted from his father being a judge. Isn’t this the privilege some of you so often point out?

Guess your dad wasn’t a judge that could pull some strings on your behalf

He was 26 at the time. That is not young. That is an adult with full faculty.

LOL. I am not old and his mistakes were not the result of youthful indiscretion.

By insider trading?


I am not off base at all. Mistakes made at 26 are not youthful transgressions.

Still in college? Yep. Youthful mistake.

Meanwhile, desperate conspiracy filled accusations aside, his life since has been exemplary.

But keep on flailing like a Wacky Waving Inflatable Tube Man in your desperate attempts to discredit the guy for a two decade old youthful indiscretion that he took responsibility and made amends for while ignoring the massive corruption on your own side that an entire party is trying to cover up and obstruct. Gotta support that tribe, amirite?

Oh, and before you embarrass yourself any further listing talking points from a right-wing meme, you should just go ahead and read this:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/beto-orourke-reality-check/
 
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Starbuck1975

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Still in college? Yep. Youthful mistake.

Meanwhile, desperate conspiracy filled accusations aside, his life since has been exemplary.

But keep on flailing like a Wacky Waving Inflatable Tube Man in your desperate attempts to discredit the guy for a two decade old youthful indiscretion that he took responsibility and made amends for while ignoring the massive corruption on your own side that an entire party is trying to cover up and obstruct. Gotta support that tribe, amirite?
He was 26 when he got the DUI. My platoon sergeant was 26. Not a youthful transgression.

I don’t have a side. I don’t support Ted Cruz. The lack of integrity by the entire GOP does not excuse O’Rourke from criticism. Deflecting to the GOP is just whataboutism. I see more tribalism in rationalizing Beto as anything less than a beneficiary of privilege.

I notice you also failed to address his reprimand for insider trading. Was that just a youthful transgression?
 

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Donald Trump - February 28, 2016 - Why would the people of Texas support Ted Cruz when he has accomplished absolutly nothing for them. He's another all talk, no action pol!

Donald Trump - August 31, 2018 - "I will be doing a major rally for Senator Ted Cruz in October. I’m picking the biggest stadium in Texas we can find. As you know, Ted has my complete and total Endorsement. His opponent is a disaster for Texas - weak on Second Amendment, Crime, Borders, Military, and Vets!"

A billboard is going up next to his rally at the stadium with this exact tweet from 2016...

https://www.newsweek.com/david-hogg...ard-beto-orourke-senate-texas-stadium-1101369
 

Amused

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He was 26 when he got the DUI. My platoon sergeant was 26. Not a youthful transgression.

I don’t have a side. I don’t support Ted Cruz. The lack of integrity by the entire GOP does not excuse O’Rourke from criticism. Deflecting to the GOP is just whataboutism. I see more tribalism in rationalizing Beto as anything less than a beneficiary of privilege.

I notice you also failed to address his reprimand for insider trading. Was that just a youthful transgression?

You mean the trade he made from a position of complete ignorance, self reported as soon as he discovered it violated ethics and wrote a check to the government for all profits?

I gave you the snopes page so you'd stop embarrassing yourself with right-wing meme talking points. TL;DR?
 

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LOL this whole thread of discussion started when I linked the snopes article, which supports everything I’ve stated. Who’s embarrassed exactly?

If you think the snopes page supports you, you're even more delusional than I thought.
 

Starbuck1975

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You mean the trade he made from a position of complete ignorance, self reported as soon as he discovered it violated ethics and wrote a check to the government for all profits?

I gave you the snopes page so you'd stop embarrassing yourself with right-wing meme talking points. TL;DR?
My talking points are from the snopes page. LOL.

Two felonies - unproven, but probable given that his father is a flippin judge

Inside trading - mixed, just an honest mistake amirite, could have happened to anyone, just a youthful transgression

Father had his cop body dispose of white powder evidence - mostly true

Family business prosecuted for tax violations - mixture

The best people, lol

If you think the snopes page supports you, you're even more delusional than I thought.
It does, which is why I linked it, first page, post #5. Maybe you should stick with flip flop gotcha photos?
 

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He was 26 when he got the DUI. My platoon sergeant was 26. Not a youthful transgression.

I don’t have a side. I don’t support Ted Cruz. The lack of integrity by the entire GOP does not excuse O’Rourke from criticism. Deflecting to the GOP is just whataboutism. I see more tribalism in rationalizing Beto as anything less than a beneficiary of privilege.

I notice you also failed to address his reprimand for insider trading. Was that just a youthful transgression?

Meh..the guy may be a dick with baggage, but..as another poster said up thread, We are looking at the alternative actively make life worse for tens of millions of people....The choice, in my mind..would be clear.
 

Starbuck1975

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Meh..the guy may be a dick with baggage, but..as another poster said up thread, We are looking at the alternative actively make life worse for tens of millions of people....The choice, in my mind..would be clear
Just realize what you are voting for and don’t be surprised when Cruz buries him with that baggage because voters don’t understand the whole health care debate.
 

zinfamous

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Deflecting to the GOP is just whataboutism. I see more tribalism in rationalizing Beto as anything less than a beneficiary of privilege.

I notice you also failed to address his reprimand for insider trading. Was that just a youthful transgression?

Deflecting to a youthful mistake that only happened once, decades ago, and calling it "a pattern" is simply unsubstantiated whataboutism when their opponent sits atop a litany of decades of policy transgressions that literally seek to rob thousands and millions of individuals of healthcare and universally popular social programs.
 

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My talking points are from the snopes page. LOL.

Two felonies - unproven, but probable given that his father is a flippin judge

Inside trading - mixed, just an honest mistake amirite, could have happened to anyone, just a youthful transgression

Father had his cop body dispose of white powder evidence - mostly true

Family business prosecuted for tax violations - mixture

The best people, lol

It does, which is why I linked it, first page, post #5. Maybe you should stick with flip flop gotcha photos?

The real question is, did you even read the snopes page? I mean, holy shit dude. You're making a real fool out of yourself here.

The furniture store: Beto was clearly and demonstrably not involved in the running of that business. Irrelevant.

His dad's car: Beto was 10 years old. Irrelevant.

Insider trading: No, it wasn't. He self reported an ethics violation prohibiting participation in IPOs. He didn't know about the ethics rule and made amends as soon as he found out.

The self pwnage in this conversation is amazing.
 

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Just realize what you are voting for and don’t be surprised when Cruz buries him with that baggage because voters don’t understand the whole health care debate.

That time passed when the primaries concluded.
At this point, it's just do you want an R or D in the Senate supporting/opposing Trump, unless you find something personally disqualifying.

Considering his opponents are Ted Cruz and DJT, it's going to have to be a doosy.

Otherwise your comments will be relevant to Betos reelection or promotion to a higher office when we reconsider his qualifications and temperament.
 

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My talking points are from the snopes page. LOL.

Two felonies - unproven, but probable given that his father is a flippin judge
Snopes says there is no evidence that his dad had anything to do with it. What’s next...you gonna blame white privilege?

Inside trading - mixed, just an honest mistake amirite, could have happened to anyone, just a youthful transgression
His broker bought in on one of the most widely publicized IPOs in history without consulting him. He didn’t realize it was a violation of the STOCK Act—not insider trading—and then paid back the treasury for any “ill gotten gains”. Compare that to Chris Collins’ actual insider trading and flat out denial.

Father had his cop body dispose of white powder evidence - mostly true
Was that 10 year old Beto's condom of drugs? No? What's your point? We shouldn't elect the son for the sins of the father??

Family business prosecuted for tax violations - mixture
Curious at best...but none of this activity can be linked to Beto or any campaigns. Was probably a good idea to shut the business down to avoid any conflict of interest since Beto co-owned the land.
 
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Starbuck1975

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The real question is, did you even read the snopes page? I mean, holy shit dude. You're making a real fool out of yourself here.

The furniture store: Beto was clearly and demonstrably not involved in the running of that business. Irrelevant.

His dad's car: Beto was 10 years old. Irrelevant.

Insider trading: No, it wasn't. He self reported an ethics violation prohibiting participation in IPOs. He didn't know about the ethics rule and made amends as soon as he found out.

The self pwnage in this conversation is amazing.
You pwned yourself and are now doubling down.

I did read it and summarized it. What I see is a pattern of behavior in his family, including him, that is born of the privilege of having a father who is a judge. It seems that his father is the one with the real ethical problems, but to shrug the snopes article off is tribalistic rationalization

A few other posters were smart enough to recognize that O’Rourke is not above criticism but is perhaps a lesser evil to Cruz.
 

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You pwned yourself and are now doubling down.

I did read it and summarized it. What I see is a pattern of behavior in his family, including him, that is born of the privilege of having a father who is a judge. It seems that his father is the one with the real ethical problems, but to shrug the snopes article off is tribalistic rationalization

A few other posters were smart enough to recognize that O’Rourke is not above criticism but is perhaps a lesser evil to Cruz.
See here is a partisan for all to see. You ain't and haven't been fooling anybody Mr. Bothsides. Call a spade a spade.
 
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You pwned yourself and are now doubling down.

I did read it and summarized it. What I see is a pattern of behavior in his family, including him, that is born of the privilege of having a father who is a judge. It seems that his father is the one with the real ethical problems, but to shrug the snopes article off is tribalistic rationalization

A few other posters were smart enough to recognize that O’Rourke is not above criticism but is perhaps a lesser evil to Cruz.

The only doubling down being done here is by you.

This is seriously pathetic, dude. Just stop. Even the snopes page debunks this shit, yet you think it's valid still.

So Beto must be held responsible for drugs found in his dad's car when he was 10?

Are you fucking high?

He was never accused nor did he commit insider trading. His broker violated the ethics ban on buying an IPO of a stock Beto had no knowledge of, and he self reported it as soon as he found out.

This keeps getting explained to you, and yet you keep running with the misinformation.
 
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You pwned yourself and are now doubling down.

I did read it and summarized it. What I see is a pattern of behavior in his family, including him, that is born of the privilege of having a father who is a judge. It seems that his father is the one with the real ethical problems, but to shrug the snopes article off is tribalistic rationalization

A few other posters were smart enough to recognize that O’Rourke is not above criticism but is perhaps a lesser evil to Cruz.

I don't think that O'Rourke is above criticism but the idea that he got off easy because his dad retired as a judge almost a decade earlier is a stretch to say the least, at least without any evidence to support it. Also, that 'burglary' charge sounds like the sort of thing college students do all the time. It is not surprising to me that it would not be pursued.

Some friends of mine got busted for something similar growing up and were cited for disorderly conduct and had to pay like a $200 fine or something. Their parents were not judges.
 
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Starbuck1975

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The only doubling down being done here is by you.
Nope. You thought you were clever citing an article I already linked and now you have to backtrack.

This is seriously pathetic, dude. Just stop. Even the snopes page debunks this shit, yet you think it's valid still.
I summarized it, so yes

So Beto must be held responsible for drugs found in his dad's car when he was 10?
It is a strong indicator of his father’s abuse of power, which would explain the slap on the wrist for two felonies that would have otherwise been more severe in terms of consequences.

Are you fucking high?
No, are you?

He was never accused nor did he commit insider trading. His broker violated the ethics ban on buying an IPO of a stock Beto had no knowledge of, and he self reported it as soon as he found out.
A 3rd party is what brought it to light and the Stock Act was crystal clear in its intent.

This keeps getting explained to you, and yet you keep running with the misinformation.
I’ve not quoted any right wing sources or narratives. The snopes article speaks for itself.
 

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See here is a partisan for all to see. You ain't and haven't been fooling anybody Mr. Bothsides. Call a spade a spade.

It's "Crooked Hillary!" part duh... otherwise known as concern trolling.
 

Starbuck1975

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I don't think that O'Rourke is above criticism but the idea that he got off easy because his dad retired as a judge almost a decade earlier is a stretch to say the least, at least without any evidence to support it. Also, that 'burglary' charge sounds like the sort of thing college students do all the time. It is not surprising to me that it would not be pursued.

Some friends of mine got busted for something similar growing up and were cited for disorderly conduct and had to pay like a $200 fine or something. Their parents were not judges.
The DUI or burglary in and of themselves indicate nothing. There is however a pattern of red flags that indicate something less than ethical. Given that the whole narrative against Trump is one that centers around ethics, I find it curious that Democrats would nominate a candidate with questionable and exploitable baggage.