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[boxleitnerb]

I don't even know why you guys are debating price or value on the 7970, it's NOT a value proposition clearly. It's a high-end chip with a small die designed to not push the performance boundary with no regards to TDP. A chip of these dimensions should be in cards priced <$400.

CLEARLY, AMD IS RIPPING consumers off because there's no competition. But its selling fine, because there are a lot of people out there who are willing to pay extra for "the best" regardless of its value. Is it overpriced? Hell yes. So what? Don't like it? Don't buy it and wait for competition.

I agree with all you say. I just want to add that there is value and less value (and even less than less value). It's not black&white, not even in the $400+ segment.

But I guess we should get btt, as the original provocateur isn't answering anymore.

 

[Haserath]

GTX 260 debuted at $400.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2549

Who's to say the performance part can't move up even higher? If the performance is equal to the GTX 580, they could just follow AMD's lead and price accordingly. In fact a GTX 580 performance compared to the 7870 would be about $400.

There isn't anywhere else to go... You either have Nvidia or you have AMD. If both of their prices for performance don't move, you're out of luck if you wanted to buy this generation.

At least, overclock wise, AMD has somewhat moved the pricing for performance scheme.

These companies could use higher profits... AMD's graphics division doesn't make much profit when it makes profit. I know, a consumer shouldn't be for worse prices, but from the company's perspective, they need this pricing structure...

Basing graphics card prices on older graphics prices(when the company was losing money trying to sell cheaper cards) doesn't make sense. Perhaps the consumer was ripping off the AMD with how they priced earlier, but AMD was taking it like a man to gain back market share.

 

[wahdangun]

What do you not understand?
8800GTX=top dog+60-70% (same process)
9700Pro=top dog+100% (same process)
HD7970=top dog+30% (new process)

The 7970 doesn't dominate like G80/R300 did, no way. It could (higher clocks/TDP), but it doesn't.

The Ultra was a limited edition, only meant for the utmost enthusiasts. It truly was a luxury item. A "normal" high end card like the 8800GTX has a different market segment. Price/perf gets worse and worse the higher you get on the product ladder, nothing new here.

The 9700pro could have been priced at $500-600, no problem. The power was so insane, especially with AA/AF that the money would have been well justified. It belongs in the same category as the 8800GTX/Ultra, because it was an extremely remarkable product. I just didn't mention it because 2002 is now 10 years ago and the market has changed quite a bit. But if you insist: the launch/lifetime-value of the 7970 is abysmal compared to the 9700pro.

so tell me is there any card right now that can dethrone HD 7970 ???


enthusiast card is not about value, its about sheer performance.