Technology Dark Ages?

[YoshiSato]

After the shocked caused by Sony's DRM app hiding and all the other things that are going on in the technology sector(Blizzard's World of Warcraft is using spyware to prevent cheating, and )Hollywood is trying ot make it illegal to record analog signals. Also the more and moreI read up on the furture of HD-DVD and Blue-Ray I am finding out that Hollywood will also make it impossible to play a cracked DvD on ANY player in the world. Which means if Hacker Joe cracks a HD-DvD or a Blue-Ray DvD his player will alert the internet that the DvD has been hacked. Since ever player will require a internet connection, they can then prevent you from playing your brand new copy of Star Wars Episode 3 because Joe cracked his disk.
I am starting to wounder if a technological advancement dark ages is near. Hardware companies are making new products but then somoene like Sony or Hollywood says no you can't use that product because we don't want you to and we just made it illegal.

If hollywood gets their way again VCRs(Devices that use magnetic tape to record video and audio. Circa late 70s. I had to reserach this.) TiVO like devices and even DvD-RWs that record TV will be made illegal.

What would anyone want to buy a device that may be illegal one day or use will be so restricted there is no point on having the device. Why will manufacutures continue to create newer products and technology of some orginazation will inhibit use of the product?

Are the Dark Ages comming? I think so

 

[Scouzer]

Doom and gloom.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: Scouzer
Doom and gloom.

I'm just saying that technology is supposed to make things easier and better. What good is Hi-Def DvD movies if your told in very specific fassions on how you can watch it. Who you can watch it with and what brand of DvD player and TV it is played on and the type of popcorn(if even allowed) you can eat while watching the movie.

This type of stuff was unthinkable 10 years ago(both the technology and the restrictions)

 

[Scouzer]

And it will all be cracked or be declared unconstitutional or illegal or whatever...

 

[necine]

We should stage a boycott!

Wait... I don't buy anything anyway. LOL! Seriously though, that sounds terrible. Good post, btw.

 

[CrackRabbit]

Hollywood and the Music Industy as we know them are dying, and instead of trying to adapt they are running scared.
The imagination that made them what they are is pretty much gone, and it is only a matter of time before they collapse.

 

[whistleclient]

We must find a balance between the needs of consumers and the needs of content creators.

Both have valid points. DRM shouldn't be intrusive, but obviously the consumer needs to make concessions to DRM because piracy is rampant and needs to be curtailed.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Hollywood and the Music Industy as we know them are dying, and instead of trying to adapt they are running scared.
The imagination that made them what they are is pretty much gone, and it is only a matter of time before they collapse.

Foolish posts like this only betray ignorance.

If the the music and movies are so devoid of imagination, then why are they being pirated?

 

[CrackRabbit]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Hollywood and the Music Industy as we know them are dying, and instead of trying to adapt they are running scared.
The imagination that made them what they are is pretty much gone, and it is only a matter of time before they collapse.

Foolish posts like this only betray ignorance.

How so?
I don't buy movies or music anymore and I haven't for a long time. (and no I don't pirate them either)
If you haven't noticed people simply are tired of the same crap that is churned out over and over by both of those industries and aren't paying for, listening to or watching it anymore.
Some pirate because they can, others feel the content isn't worth paying the inflated price for a movie ticket, DVD or CD, others still because they wouldn't pay for it even if it was worth seeing.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

We must find a balance between the needs of consumers and the needs of content creators.

Both have valid points. DRM shouldn't be intrusive, but obviously the consumer needs to make concessions to DRM because piracy is rampant and needs to be curtailed.

The thing is DRM does nothing to stop piracy. Sony's snafu has no effect on Linux or even Mac based machines. Pirates are smart enough to know how to by pass such systems on non Windows machines. You can even find the 20 infected Sony CDs for download on your local P2P network. Like the DRM did anything to stop it. All it did was treat normal people like traitors in the USSR while the priates worked around it like they have for 10 years.

 

[tfcmasta97]

Keep those VCR's handy people, you just might need em...

i hope the "recordable 10,000x VHS!'s" are for real!

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
Keep those VCR's handy people, you just might need em...

i hope the "recordable 10,000x VHS!'s" are for real!

Hollywood wants to make VCRs illegal. VCPs will be fine

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
Hollywood and the Music Industy as we know them are dying, and instead of trying to adapt they are running scared.
The imagination that made them what they are is pretty much gone, and it is only a matter of time before they collapse.

Foolish posts like this only betray ignorance.

If the the music and movies are so devoid of imagination, then why are they being pirated?

Yeah, stop betraying ignorance, what did it ever do to you.
Seriously though, if you think that movies that have been coming out lately are good, then I want the number to your drug dealer. The last movie I have seen in a theater is 007:Tomorrow Never Dies (terrible movie BTW). I admit I have pirated 3 movies, 2 if you count the fact that I dl'd "Meet the Feebles" after my DVD came up missing. The trailers I see on TV are absolute crap, even the "must-see" movies i.e. the newer Star-Wars movies. I think the main reason people DL movies is the same reason people litter, they think "it is no big deal, the movie industry is filthy rich". Which is true, but the wealth is not evenly distributed, overpaid actors for mediocre performance, middlemen getting rich for no reason whatsoever, etc. I am probably in the minority here, but I would rather be a book-reading, forum lurking nerd; Than a brain-dead, crap-watching, sheep. My $.02, and enjoy your cultural wasteland. :thumbsup:

 

[0roo0roo]

yea they are trying to make it so only drm monitors will be able to play the new formats. making most of our computer lcds obsolete bleh bastards

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
yea they are trying to make it so only drm monitors will be able to play the new formats. making most of our computer lcds obsolete bleh bastards

The 1,400 dollar 24" widescreen from dell supported the DRM tech.
Yeah right that's more than 75% of my yearly PC budget. Screw that.

 

[eflat]

Originally posted by: YoshiSato
After the shocked caused by Sony's DRM app hiding and all the other things that are going on in the technology sector(Blizzard's World of Warcraft is using spyware to prevent cheating, and )Hollywood is trying ot make it illegal to record analog signals. Also the more and moreI read up on the furture of HD-DVD and Blue-Ray I am finding out that Hollywood will also make it impossible to play a cracked DvD on ANY player in the world. Which means if Hacker Joe cracks a HD-DvD or a Blue-Ray DvD his player will alert the internet that the DvD has been hacked. Since ever player will require a internet connection, they can then prevent you from playing your brand new copy of Star Wars Episode 3 because Joe cracked his disk.
I am starting to wounder if a technological advancement dark ages is near. Hardware companies are making new products but then somoene like Sony or Hollywood says no you can't use that product because we don't want you to and we just made it illegal.

If hollywood gets their way again VCRs(Devices that use magnetic tape to record video and audio. Circa late 70s. I had to reserach this.) TiVO like devices and even DvD-RWs that record TV will be made illegal.

What would anyone want to buy a device that may be illegal one day or use will be so restricted there is no point on having the device. Why will manufacutures continue to create newer products and technology of some orginazation will inhibit use of the product?

Are the Dark Ages comming? I think so

you seriously need to relax.

maybe some yoga would be good for you?

oooohmmm

 

[Future Shock]

I wonder if the original poster has every played on a multi-user game where 20% of the players were obviously cheating? It's no fun at all after a while for the other 80%, which is why WoW Warden and Punkbuster exist. By the very nature of the cheats (new video drivers to disable fog and to see through objects, keyboard scripting, etc.) the anti-cheat code HAS to hack low into the system calls to monitor what's going on. That is an implementation detail - not a design goal. I fail to see how that deprives you of ANY of your rights, or harms you in any way...unless you are one of the cheaters that is ruining many online games for the rest of us...and if so then the hell with ya.

DRM is unfortunately so important that it would take pages to write enough to be taken seriously. Suffice to say that NO ONE is going to create $100MM movies if their market is cut in half, or advance studio time and production money to promising bands that have a 1 in 100 shot of ever making it - unless they make a LOT of money on that 1 that does. That is just the way that studios work, and frankly 99.995% of everything NOT produced in a studio (from Blair Witch to most home bands) is utter crap - poorly produced, badly written, not even worthy of a download.

In fact - the OP has talked a lot about how much he disdains Hollywood productions - I challenge him to name the last three movies he downloaded as independant productions and enjoyed. They exist, they are out there...but few are watching them..for a reason. Most people don't like to watch film school final projects, which are actually as good (if not better) than most of the independant stuff out there...

Future Shock

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: CitizenDoug

you seriously need to relax.

maybe some yoga would be good for you?

oooohmmm[/quote]

I'll remember that when your flipping out about some new tech fried your toaster because GE does not like you using Wheat Bread or Rasin Bagels in their toaster.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: Future Shock

In fact - the OP has talked a lot about how much he disdains Hollywood productions - I challenge him to name the last three movies he downloaded as independant productions and enjoyed. They exist, they are out there...but few are watching them..for a reason. Most people don't like to watch film school final projects, which are actually as good (if not better) than most of the independant stuff out there...

Future Shock

Last movie I seen in a Therater, Star Wars Ep3. The last moive I seen in the theater before that. Oceans 11(the new One with Brad Pitt and Bat man)

Why because I'm not wasting $7.50 on a Crappy moive that will be on DvD in 3 months. Also Why get the DvD when it will be on HBO in 12 months?

I'm more partial to Japanese anime than American 200 million dollar films that do not tell any story but just so how much money you can spend on special effects that are meaningless(Matrix for example and Spiderman 2)


This type of control would never be accepted in any other industry. If the car industry started dictating how you can and can not use their cars people would be rioting

 

[Future Shock]

Originally posted by: YoshiSato

Originally posted by: Future Shock

In fact - the OP has talked a lot about how much he disdains Hollywood productions - I challenge him to name the last three movies he downloaded as independant productions and enjoyed. They exist, they are out there...but few are watching them..for a reason. Most people don't like to watch film school final projects, which are actually as good (if not better) than most of the independant stuff out there...

Future Shock

Last movie I seen in a Therater, Star Wars Ep3. The last moive I seen in the theater before that. Oceans 11(the new One with Brad Pitt and Bat man)

Why because I'm not wasting $7.50 on a Crappy moive that will be on DvD in 3 months. Also Why get the DvD when it will be on HBO in 12 months?

I'm more partial to Japanese anime than American 200 million dollar films that do not tell any story but just so how much money you can spend on special effects that are meaningless(Matrix for example and Spiderman 2)


This type of control would never be accepted in any other industry. If the car industry started dictating how you can and can not use their cars people would be rioting

The film industry has NO PROBLEM with that attitude - nor do I. You want to skip the theater experience and wait for the DVD, and buy a legit copy, or rent it from NetFlix, or watch on HBO or SkyTV? Fantastic - that's why I bought my 32" LCD TV and my home theater sound system. I rarely go to movies - but paying for legit copies, or renting them from someone who pays royalties, is totally legal and supports the artists. I also have no problem with people that download songs from a band's web site if the band has posted them for distribution (either free or paid). That also supports the artists.

Why DRM exists is because of the rapidly rising number of people using home DVD and CD burners to copy illegally, which means that only the VERY top commercially accepted artists (those that can fill large venues and get massive airplay) will be invested in by the studios. Janet Jackson doesn't really care if half her sales go away - she's still rich, and so is her studio. But without the profit from JJ's albums (or MP3 sales on iTunes), then the studio is NOT going to invest much in unproven, new talent. Those that claim that most music/movies suck, that's why the copy, etc. are either unaware that copying only makes that situation MORE likely to exist, or are lying.

DRM won't end piracy - but it will slow it down, and hopefully still preserve enough studio money to invest in new artists. And like it or not, for most musicians it still takes studio-level money to get a good enough production, and the right assistance like engineers and producers, to put out a decent album or movie. There are always exceptions, but for the most part artists can't be good musicians/filmmakers and engineer/produce themselves well.

Lastly, IF you could make a perfect copy of your car, and give it to your friend for free, then yes, I believe that auto industry would regulate how you can use their products too...

FS

BTW - and anime rocks...I agree

 

[Acanthus]

If you dont like wow scanning its home directory for modded files, dont play wow.

Its not spyware, its common friggin sense that they need to do that to prevent cheating.

 

[Parkre]

Originally posted by: YoshiSato


I'm more partial to Japanese anime than American 200 million dollar films that do not tell any story but just so how much money you can spend on special effects that are meaningless(Matrix for example and Spiderman 2)

Anime rocks, at least most of the time. Even then they sometimes don't make sense. I rarely pirate movies anymore. AND IF I do, I only get about 15 minutes into it before giving up or stop paying attention.

Getting a TV series it what you all should be doing. You get a reealllly long movie this way and it takes a good month to get through a few seasons (stargate sg1, buffy, startrek,etc)

oh and I don't agree with "do not tell any storyline" movie examples. Matrix 1 was good. 2&3 was strickly eye-candy. Spiderman 1&2 were good and worth paying for at the theatre. Chronocles of Riddick would have been a better example.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

We must find a balance between the needs of consumers and the needs of content creators.

Both have valid points. DRM shouldn't be intrusive, but obviously the consumer needs to make concessions to DRM because piracy is rampant and needs to be curtailed.

Piracy isn't nearly the problem they'd have you believe, current measures are just fine. They'd like you to believe that every single person who has a burned copy of a movie would have bought it otherwise, which simply isn't the case.

 

[YoshiSato]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: tangent1138

We must find a balance between the needs of consumers and the needs of content creators.

Both have valid points. DRM shouldn't be intrusive, but obviously the consumer needs to make concessions to DRM because piracy is rampant and needs to be curtailed.

Piracy isn't nearly the problem they'd have you believe, current measures are just fine. They'd like you to believe that every single person who has a burned copy of a movie would have bought it otherwise, which simply isn't the case.

VeryTrue. All the music I have aquired through Napster(way back in the day) I would never have paid for to begin with. Why? Because I can't buy this stuff at "The Wall" or Planet Music.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
If you dont like wow scanning its home directory for modded files, dont play wow.

Its not spyware, its common friggin sense that they need to do that to prevent cheating.

Did you even bother to read the article the OP linked to? :roll:

Mr Hoglund found that The Warden also scans the text in the title bars of any Window for any other program.

Writing in his blog about what he found Mr Hoglund said: "I watched The Warden sniff down the e-mail addresses of people I was communicating with on MSN, the URL of several websites that I had open at the time, and the names of all my running programs...

Digital rights group The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) branded The Warden "spyware" and said its use constituted "a massive invasion of privacy"."

The EFF said that it was not acceptable simply to take Blizzard's word that it did nothing with the information it gathered. It added that the Blizzard could get away with using The Warden because information about it was buried in licence agreements that few people read.

Sure sounds like spyware to me. Also sounds like it's doing a lot more than just scanning its home directory. Blizzard's approach of hiding the spyware information in the EULA is even more worrisome.

I was thinking about joining up and playing WoW, but now I think I'll pass.