Tech CEO spews racist bile at Asian family at California restaurant

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Muse

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Could not disagree with you more. I have spent my career managing and have been a CEO for a couple of organizations. The power never went to my head. The success never went to my head. Actually it made me more of a sub-servant leader. Yes, there are times I had to assert control. It is a delicate balance. I just think the position is about responsibility. Things start there. If you are a fraud, a racist, a guy who cuts corners, power hungry, etc, your organization will directly reflect that. If you are good, sub-servant, engaged, responsible, ethical, moral, etc, it does not mean the organization will be, but it does increase the odds. It still takes a very committed effort from you to keep things moving in the direction you feel is best. You can be respectful, demanding, have high expectations and not be a total shithead. Being human can go a long way. This guy was probably hated in his organization, as soon as he left the room the staff were like, “Can you believe that is our CEO.”
I am not doubting you, you may be the person who can rise above the circumstances you were in. I'd never say that can't be done. But you should realize that this does not always happen and that positions of power are fraught with danger, especially "absolute power." If you cannot see that you do indeed have quite a problem.
 

repoman0

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Did you are the Queen of strawmen here.

You also have this weird hard-on for making any topic of conversation about black people - regardless of how much it doesn't relate. I think you have some fetish issues that you should address.

He’s black you dolt. Pretty sure he has every right to see parallels to this story.
 
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Grey_Beard

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I am not doubting you, you may be the person who can rise above the circumstances you were in. I'd never say that can't be done. But you should realize that this does not always happen and that positions of power are fraught with danger, especially "absolute power." If you cannot see that you do indeed have quite a problem.

I see that. Maybe it’s my fear of submission to that “absolute power” adage or the great mentors I have had. Both of our points are personal observations and perceptions. There are many great CEOs. Maybe not as many as I think, but I realize there are really bad ones. I am a turnaround specialist, so I am well aware of the damage left behind.
 

Muse

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Yeah, that's the lawyer's job, to muddy the fucking waters so their client gets a better deal than they would if we just looked at the bare facts.
It's why I didn't apply to law school. I got a good enough score on the LSAT (and I didn't prepare for it one second), but my experience was that "truth" to a lawyer seems a very inconvenient concept (probably too much television and movie exposure). I figured I might get messed up if I was a lawyer. At the time I had close to no concept that there are areas of the law that lawyers can work in where they don't have to sacrifice their personal integrity. I found that out later! But trial lawyers? Lenny Bruce said "the only justice in the halls of justice is in the halls." He had plenty experience inside courtrooms! They were always dragging him into court for saying dirty words in his stand up comedy routines. I saw him one time in person. All he talked about was the absurdity of his experiences in court rooms.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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I see that. Maybe it’s my fear of submission to that “absolute power” adage or the great mentors I have had. Both of our points are personal observations and perceptions. There are many great CEOs. Maybe not as many as I think, but I realize there are really bad ones. I am a turnaround specialist, so I am well aware of the damage left behind.
I am aware that there are many fabulously great CEO's. They really do probably most often make or break a business. Obviously to be a great CEO you have to be intelligent and have good judgment. And yes, turnarounds, the CEO who can engineer those, those are the best. I should probably not have given this guy the benefit of the doubt. But thinking of the situation in those terms at least gave me an idea that made sense to me in explaining that video and his subsequent apology. Prior to that idea, I was baffled.
 

ch33zw1z

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Thats true, me too. I dont think its necessarily fair though.
Lets take an example most of us can relate to. Relationships. Breakups.
Have you ever taken shit from a girl, maybe even given, that you know is not a fucking cvnt in real life? Its just, in this particular situation, both you and girlfriend are running code out of the limbic system and not the neocortex?
Just saying human beings perhaps most defining feature, is we be fallible. We gonna err. And if all it takes is one strike to get on death row, we all heading in that direction.

I said my piece, im out before the shit starts raining :).

one strike, yea, well...how many strikes does it take before i discard said person, more than one if the person shows growth.....

 

cytg111

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one strike, yea, well...how many strikes does it take before i discard said person, more than one if the person shows growth.....

Shit. That is bad. How tf is he still working?
 
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Could not disagree with you more. I have spent my career managing and have been a CEO for a couple of organizations. The power never went to my head. The success never went to my head. Actually it made me more of a sub-servant leader. Yes, there are times I had to assert control. It is a delicate balance. I just think the position is about responsibility. Things start there. If you are a fraud, a racist, a guy who cuts corners, power hungry, etc, your organization will directly reflect that. If you are good, sub-servant, engaged, responsible, ethical, moral, etc, it does not mean the organization will be, but it does increase the odds. It still takes a very committed effort from you to keep things moving in the direction you feel is best. You can be respectful, demanding, have high expectations and not be a total shithead. Being human can go a long way. This guy was probably hated in his organization, as soon as he left the room the staff were like, “Can you believe that is our CEO.”

The problem is a lot of the assholes think they are being exactly like you see yourself. But they're so consumed with greed or other shit that they really don't see how they are acting.

Just look at Turmp. He genuinely believes he's the nicest man on Earth, smart, incredibly generous, selfless, and wise. He's none of those things. But he sees himself that way.
 

FirNaTine

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Please describe some possible events that may have occurred before the recording that in your opinion justify the events that occurred during the recording.

I asked the exact same thing several pages back and he ducked that question. And still crickets....