Teaching Creationism As Science Now Banned In All UK Public Schools

[Moonbeam]

The problem with human comprehension on this issue, in my opinion, is due to the illusion of time. Due to the nature of our existence, we think of time as something moving, like a river. It doesn't. We're what's moving. Like running software code, the interaction of our neurons from which emerges our consciousnesses requires sequence, and time is the dimension through which that process moves. Time itself, however, does not move.

This idea rests on an a priori assumption of an undefined 'nature of our existence' which causes me to wonder what that nature is. It's in questions about such foundational assumptions that things get interesting for me. I suspect that thought is time and thought is language and that our fall from paradise in the Garden of Eden stems from the abstraction from being in the present caused by naming things, giving to words the power to convey ideas attached to negative feelings, the birth of the delusion of good and evils.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't reject the teaching of theology in public schools, just in science classes.

I meant in science class and I don't disagree. But the fundamentalists want it taught there. If they were rational they wouldn't feel a need to have it taught anywhere.

 

[justoh]

I am what you make me, your fear of irrationality and error, your assumptions that I am concerned with such things

I assume you aren't too concerned about it at all, since otherwise you would have developed your critical reasoning skills a little more, instead of trying to hide your ignorance in dense nonsense all the time. Shame on you.

 

[Moonbeam]

I assume you aren't too concerned about it at all, since otherwise you would have developed your critical reasoning skills a little more, instead of trying to hide your ignorance in dense nonsense all the time. Shame on you.

Read my sig. It's been the same for years and years. You can understand that for which you have no foundation. You need big feet to have good understanding. I pass on information and you want to contest because of your ego. I always fail at that. I an setting at the Millennium Center in Cardiff watching folk walk by happy as Larry. I can't win but I don't need too. The blue sky is filled with beautiful gray and white clouds and I'm going on a bus tour. Let's hope the bus driver doesn't pick up on how crazy I am.

 

[Zebo]

I wear size 13 and cant understand bout about 80% of your posts moon. But I have low literacy and IQ. Get worse as I get older which sucks. Thats cool with me cant all be geniuses try like you're talking to a 5 year old.

 

[Zebo]

BTW what are u doing in wales? Move? Vacation? I need a vacation from my last vacation since I was sick most of the time. You ever feel that way?

 

[justoh]

Read my sig. It's been the same for years and years. You can understand that for which you have no foundation. You need big feet to have good understanding. I pass on information and you want to contest because of your ego. I always fail at that. I an setting at the Millennium Center in Cardiff watching folk walk by happy as Larry. I can't win but I don't need too. The blue sky is filled with beautiful gray and white clouds and I'm going on a bus tour. Let's hope the bus driver doesn't pick up on how crazy I am.

It's easy to reference your disclaimer when someone points out that you're talking nonsense or demonstrating your apparent inability to reason. After all, how could I be sure that you aren't being sarcastic or intentionally confusing most of the time? Just seems more likely that you're stupid. You've also referenced learning disabilities in the past. Those can sometimes impact ones ability to learn.

 

[schmuckley]

Evolution was still a theory 20 years ago when I was in HS... Has it been proven yet, scientifically?

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.

 

[Brainonska511]

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.

Right....

 

[surfsatwerk]

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.

 

[alzan]

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.

And that evidence is...?

 

[Brainonska511]

And that evidence is...?

Hidden in a deep, dark (and most likely stinky) crevice.

 

[Sonikku]

We cant do that as a nation but we could with sates and by how much money the fed gives to them.

Teaching creationism as scientifically valid now banned in all UK public schools
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...K-public-schools/5631403128922/#ixzz35BWBikQj​

If only that were Jesus there and not some woman.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't reject the teaching of theology in public schools, just in science classes.

I'm cool with this. As much as I dislike fundies, I still teach my kids about different types of religion.

 

[alzan]

Hidden in a deep, dark (and most likely stinky) crevice.

That has implications that I'd rather not get into; but you're correct.

It's easy to reference your disclaimer when someone points out that you're talking nonsense or demonstrating your apparent inability to reason. After all, how could I be sure that you aren't being sarcastic or intentionally confusing most of the time? Just seems more likely that you're stupid. You've also referenced learning disabilities in the past. Those can sometimes impact ones ability to learn.

You're trying too hard. Moonbeam's posts, IMO, are best taken in all at once. You'll find eloquent responses and answers, just remember that most answers beg further questions that some do not want answered.

As far as his sig; I think you're choosing to see nonsense or an inability to reason.

 

[Jaskalas]

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.

Right....

And that evidence is...?

/thread

 

[Moonbeam]

That has implications that I'd rather not get into; but you're correct.



You're trying too hard. Moonbeam's posts, IMO, are best taken in all at once. You'll find eloquent responses and answers, just remember that most answers beg further questions that some do not want answered.

As far as his sig; I think you're choosing to see nonsense or an inability to reason.

I told him that I did not want myself to be in the position of forcing my certainty on others. I didn't say I wouldn't in this creationism in science class issue, but only that I don't like doing so because there is no understanding on the other side and it creates resentment and counterattack. I don't want to be like conservatives or force them to be like me. My knowledge cost me everything I used to hold sacred for which I paid for with a journey through hell. I found my way or rather it found me only when I accepted hopelessness as my fate.

I don't expect many to want to pay that price. He's young and full of himself. I have almost disappeared.

 

[justoh]

That has implications that I'd rather not get into; but you're correct.



You're trying too hard. Moonbeam's posts, IMO, are best taken in all at once. You'll find eloquent responses and answers, just remember that most answers beg further questions that some do not want answered.

As far as his sig; I think you're choosing to see nonsense or an inability to reason.

It's unreasonable to take my comment about his sig out of context, for example. Only an unreasonable person would think moonbeam is reasonable. Be reasonable.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Evolution was still a theory 20 years ago when I was in HS... Has it been proven yet, scientifically?

All science is theory seeking to be the best explanation of the workings of the universe. You seem to confuse theory with wild ass guess.

Thunder and lightning: The Gods are angry vrs Air expansion caused by an electrical discharge,

 

[Chaotic42]

Lot of it is growing up. Look at most public schools where its all about sports, being a Jock is cool and being a nerd is dangerous. Who does our young in society idolize jocks and shallow musicians that rarely add anything to society.
Ops tangent ...

There's no reason why we can't balance athleticism, academics, and spirituality (not necessarily religion). It doesn't have to be a binary choice between "nerds" and "jocks". Unfortunately people love to label themselves and others which leads to an us versus them mentality.

Until we can overcome our tribalism, we'll never truly advance as a society.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's unreasonable to take my comment about his sig out of context, for example. Only an unreasonable person would think moonbeam is reasonable. Be reasonable.

Did you notice that alzan 'thinks' you are see something, but you, on the other hand know that he is unreasonable and you offer him the miracle advise that he should be reasonable, all the while thinking that this is quite reasonable for you to say. Now I would tell you to be reasonable but I in fact know you have no idea how to do so. You will just have to settle for me chuckling to myself.

 

[Moonbeam]

There's no reason why we can't balance athleticism, academics, and spirituality (not necessarily religion). It doesn't have to be a binary choice between "nerds" and "jocks". Unfortunately people love to label themselves and others which leads to an us versus them mentality.

Until we can overcome our tribalism, we'll never truly advance as a society.

Tribalism confers adaptive advantage when one is surrounded by hostile groups. Human evolution has to move toward the notion that we are all the same tribe. The notions of enlightened self interest that businessmen develop by say international trade may help with this. Both sides win by working together.

 

[justoh]

Did you notice that alzan 'thinks' you are see something, but you, on the other hand know that he is unreasonable and you offer him the miracle advise that he should be reasonable, all the while thinking that this is quite reasonable for you to say. Now I would tell you to be reasonable but I in fact know you have no idea how to do so. You will just have to settle for me chuckling to myself.

You are absolutely right.

 

[Moonbeam]

You are absolutely right.

I think maybe I am more aware that II don't know anything because I seem not to need to. My attachments got burned up. Oddly, when you don't know much you begin to see that makes you know more than most, because you know you don't know what others think they do, and you know they don't either.

So the irony is that when you know you don't know, you know the absolute truth seems to me. So what I would like is to help creationists unlearn their feelings that truth depends on every word of the Bible being correct. But their egos are wrapped up in the feeling that they are special because they believe in the one true religion and that belief makes them special. All I know that I can offer is that the their god of ego ain't God because God is when you are not.

 

[Victorian Gray]

No.It has not.
Furthermore,evidence is uncovered all the time that shoots holes in the theory of evolution.