I foresee a day when I lead a resistance of invidualists to a war with the evil empire of fascist collectivites. They'll wish they'd never have banned and burned all their guns.
Canun
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The whole thing these teachers are trying to teach the kids is that no one should have something different than their neighbor. So in this definition, the houses for the most part would be the same.
Doesn't make sense to me. Sounds like people like the idea of penalizing the successful to help those who don't help themselves.
Vic
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Your cries of ad hominem might have some merit if you had actually been reading or replying to my posts. But you haven't, and certainly not intelligently.
There is no oxymoron here. Voluntary association is an inherent individual right. Therefore, collectives will always exist. As such, it becomes the duty of government to protect the inherent rights of individuals from coercion by the "massive resources" that collectives are capable of wielding. The liberalist system was developed by men far more intelligent than you and I. They knew what they were doing. So far, only Marx has been both intelligent enough and cynical enough to devise anything capable of subverting liberalism, and that with a system so cynically twisted that it murdered more people last century (ironically most of who were poor) than all the other political and religious systems combined in all the centuries combined before it. Text
Let me demonstrate your confusion here in a simple way that you will (hopefully) be able to understand. Notice that I said earlier that the most ironic aspect of this entire discussion is that this is a private school and therefore the teachers are protected by the very system of private property which they condemn. Now imagine the situation was reversed a complete 180 degrees, i.e. suppose teachers teaching individualism within an authoritarian collectivist society. Would the teachers be granted the same freedom to teach what they will as they are within in our current society? Of course not. In fact, they would probably be punished (even executed) for "crimes against the state." That should tell you everything you need to understand here.
exdeath
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Capitalism is also the system that provides the most wealth. Look how many people drive and have access to cheap transportation in the USA. Just because someone can only afford a 1989 Civic and not a Ferrari makes capitalism unjust and unfair? (which it is, but so is life itself)
People in this country complaining about inequity really don't know how good they have it and should go spend a year in Iraq, etc. That or they don't really care about equality like they say, they are just appealing to the emotions of the easiest and largest crowds in order to gain trust and power. Political power is really what its always all about.
Gunslinger08
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Guys, you have to read the entire article before making your judgments. What the teachers are trying to get across is a mirror of reality - the way things really are.
3chordcharlie
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Amused
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Um, no it's not an oxymoron.
Ayn Rand said it best:
"The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man's rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man's self-defense, and, as such, may only resort to force only against those who start the use of force."
-- Galt's Speech, "Atlas Shrugged"
And:
"When ?the common good? of a society is regarded as something apart from and superior to the individual good of its members, it means that the good of some men takes precedence over the good of others, with those others consigned to the status of sacrificial animals."
-- "What is Capitalism?" Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal
Your problem is you cannot see the difference. Basically, you have no idea what you're talking about and have no thoughts of your own.
3chordcharlie
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Exactly - Neoliberalism is the good idea that somehow spawned the monster that is neoconservatism.
Not that I'm a card-carrying neoliberal, but the position has value, makes sense and would be better than what most western countries have now.
Edit - or we can just go on having morons call people neolibs because their own heroes were (accurately) called neoconservatives.
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well, to be fair, IGBT applied the term neoliberal improperly (as neoliberal is actually a freedom of capital theory). it would abhor standard sized housing.
i was just pointing out how the standard sized housing would result in the leaders having huge houses and claiming they were only more standard than others like in 1984 (which is a far better read than ayn rand) (see al gore buying carbon credits from himself, and this whole thing giving his carbon credit company free advertising. a more cynical person might think he cleverly orchestrated the thing, just like a cynical person would say that ariel sharon knew exactly what he was doing when he visited the temple mount)
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Linflas
If you tell me they have outlawed HOA's as well then you live in paradise and I want to move there.
HOA's are not outlawed, but they are not enforceable
we were given a one page "covenant" something, but our realtor said it isn't enforceable, nobody can sue us if we don't follow it. but it is very liberal anyway, about the only thing you can't build explicitly is a pig farm or a strip club and it has a clause that anything you build has to be completed in one year
HOA's are un-American.
I will never again become involved with anything resembling those agents of evil.
I'll bet if her (the teacher in question) had her car stolen, she would report it, and file a claim with her insurance company.
exdeath
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Oh just want to throw this out there...
libs/commies like to throw out the exaggeration about how 1% owns 99% of the wealth in the USA... makes it sound like we have a lot of poor and staving people doesn?t it? Makes them sound like Robin Hood coming to save the day.
Lets apply that same exaggeration to the entire world population. Say that 1% (or some small value that represents just the USA) of the world population has 99% of the wealth in the world. Why? Because we employ an economic system that provides the greatest distribution of wealth. Capitalism.
Suddenly the 99% of the USA's population that is 'poor' from the first paragraph don't seem so poor anymore?
It?s all a mater of perspective. Obviously the socialists can only promise good things if you vote for them if they tell you to only focus on being jealous of the 100 people that drive Ferraris and live in 25,000 sq-ft houses instead of the looking at the 10 million people in another part of the world that don?t even have running water and merely dream of standing next to a running internal combustion engine.
Communism failed. Give it up already.
Do we have corrupt politicians, special interest groups buying political favors, big powerful corporations being unethical and bending the rules to benefit them and screw other people, etc? Absolutely. We have ground rules in place to stop those things, but if the people we trust to enforce those rules can be bought out, then what? Is this a problem specifically with capitalism? Not by a long shot. Are we going to punish all the children again because we don't want to send one bad one to the corner?
The problem with not respecting private property rights is that if you can take my property then I can take yours... your body and life itself is your property, and I can take that if I so choose should you feel entitled to take any of my property. How do you like that?
libs/commies like to throw out the exaggeration about how 1% owns 99% of the wealth in the USA... makes it sound like we have a lot of poor and staving people doesn?t it? Makes them sound like Robin Hood coming to save the day.
Lets apply that same exaggeration to the entire world population. Say that 1% (or some small value that represents just the USA) of the world population has 99% of the wealth in the world. Why? Because we employ an economic system that provides the greatest distribution of wealth. Capitalism.
Suddenly the 99% of the USA's population that is 'poor' from the first paragraph don't seem so poor anymore?
It?s all a mater of perspective. Obviously the socialists can only promise good things if you vote for them if they tell you to only focus on being jealous of the 100 people that drive Ferraris and live in 25,000 sq-ft houses instead of the looking at the 10 million people in another part of the world that don?t even have running water and merely dream of standing next to a running internal combustion engine.
Communism failed. Give it up already.
Do we have corrupt politicians, special interest groups buying political favors, big powerful corporations being unethical and bending the rules to benefit them and screw other people, etc? Absolutely. We have ground rules in place to stop those things, but if the people we trust to enforce those rules can be bought out, then what? Is this a problem specifically with capitalism? Not by a long shot. Are we going to punish all the children again because we don't want to send one bad one to the corner?
The problem with not respecting private property rights is that if you can take my property then I can take yours... your body and life itself is your property, and I can take that if I so choose should you feel entitled to take any of my property. How do you like that?
this is so crazy...yet another reason ill never live on the west coast....if someone were to purpose that crap in AL they rednecks would come out of the hills guns blazing...but hey, at least granny would have her land.
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