Teacher Ridicules Student for Romney T-Shirt. UPDATE: Student was telling the truth

[Agent11]

I don't know about that. I think it's more a matter of environment and peer pressure. People may have tendencies but to say they are predetermined to have certain beliefs is a stretch.

 

[waggy]

Fair enough, although I would still act on it myself. I wouldn't go looking for a news crew though.

agreed. but if the school and school board refuse to do anything about it then sometimes the news is the only way to get action.

 

[Svnla]

Fair enough, although I would still act on it myself. I wouldn't go looking for a news crew though.

When you have principals like this one, would you like to try other ways for help? I would.

Principal LaGreta Brown, the school's fourth principal in five years, was cited for a discriminatory attitude, particularly for referring to the advocacy groups' efforts as "the Asian agenda." On the morning of the attacks, the complaint says, she escorted about 10 frightened Vietnamese students past a large group of youths on a sidewalk.

"If you are afraid, then I will walk with you," the advocacy group says she told the students. But she soon walked away and returned to school, the complaint says, and the Vietnamese students were assaulted by 40 students, most of them black.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-01-22-asian-bullying-philadelphia_N.htm?csp=34


Speaking of pathetic, school is for learning and education. Period. It is not for beating up or humiliate others. That's why certain group is doing so well in school and certain group is sucking bad years after years. And then that sucking bad group would whine and bitch about racists/whiteys/Bush/Republicans/<fill in the blank excuses> for self inflicted problems/their own failure. That's truly pathetic.

 

[classy]

When you have principals like this one, would you like to try other ways for help? I would.



http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-01-22-asian-bullying-philadelphia_N.htm?csp=34


Speaking of pathetic, school is for learning and education. Period. It is not for beating up or humiliate others. That's why certain group is doing so well in school and certain group is sucking bad years after years. And then that sucking bad group would whine and bitch about racists/whiteys/Bush/Republicans/<fill in the blank excuses> for self inflicted problems/their own failure. That's truly pathetic.

In times like this, just run, lol

 

[Svnla]

In times like this, just run, lol

Since you quoted me so I will reply in kind.

I always thought schools are for learning and knowledge but I guess it is not cool to do that now.

Since when schools are becoming battle ground? Since when it is up to the victims to hide and run from perps? Since when it is ok for administrators such as the principal in the article do nothing or leave victims for perps to beat up?

Since when it is the duty of the victims to run and not the duty of the perps to come to school to learn?

No wonder why certain group is doing very well in school and certain group is still sucking bad. LOL on that because that's FACT.

 

[PokerGuy]

Do you think it's okay for a Christian public school teacher to wear a cross openly?

Yes, wearing a cross is not in any way forcing anyone else to do or believe anything, nor is it forcing your personal agenda on anyone.

Ridiculing a student for daring to <gasp> have a political opinion other than their own is typical for the narrow minded libs. How dare anyone question the dear leader, they must obviously be KKK members!

 

[jackstar7]

Bottom line is that people who can't keep their personal political and religious views out of the classroom should not be teachers.

Yes, wearing a cross is not in any way forcing anyone else to do or believe anything, nor is it forcing your personal agenda on anyone.

You said nothing about forcing beliefs. You said they need to keep their personal political and religious views out of the classroom.

Wearing a cross clearly displays a personal religious belief.

Or a deeply felt connection to the lower-case t.

I appreciate your honesty.

 

[PokerGuy]

You said nothing about forcing beliefs. You said they need to keep their personal political and religious views out of the classroom.

Wearing a cross clearly displays a personal religious belief.

Or a deeply felt connection to the lower-case t.

I appreciate your honesty.

Wearing something is not the same as bringing the your views into the classroom, nice try though.

If said teacher decides to discuss her belief in math class and ridicule a student who doesn't adhere to the same beliefs, then heck yes I have a problem with it.

Teachers should teach the subject matter at hand, not their personal beliefs or political agendas. In some classes that can become a gray area (sociology, political science), but otherwise stick to the damn subject and keep your own agenda out.

 

[Todd33]

Yes, wearing a cross is not in any way forcing anyone else to do or believe anything, nor is it forcing your personal agenda on anyone.

Ridiculing a student for daring to <gasp> have a political opinion other than their own is typical for the narrow minded libs. How dare anyone question the dear leader, they must obviously be KKK members!

Fine, then a small Obama button should be fine, right? One shows support for a religion (which is goes against the separation of church and state). The other is just a political party, harmless.

What about some Muslim accessories?

The bottom line is it is all wrong. Anything that influences the mushy mind of children should be off the table. If a child asks "what is that" what does the teacher tell them? It should never have to come up, keep that personal BS out of school.

 

[PokerGuy]

Fine, then a small Obama button should be fine, right? One shows support for a religion (which is goes against the separation of church and state). The other is just a political party, harmless.

separation of church and state (or rather, the establishment clause) does not apply to someone wearing a cross or any other religious artifact for that matter, provided they are not pushing the ideas/religion/views onto the students. If a student asks what it is, there's nothing wrong with a quick explanation of what it is. Anything beyond that is (should be) out of bounds. Wearing an obummer button should not be a problem, unless the school has specific guidelines about political messages in the classroom.

What about some Muslim accessories?

No different than any other religious or personal items, perfectly OK unless they go against school dress code or regulations.

It should never have to come up, keep that personal BS out of school.

No, it is not reasonable to ask people to leave their beliefs at the door when they go to school, nor is it reasonable to ask them to remove personal jewelry just because they are teaching. Wearing a diamond earring is fine, but one shaped like a cross is not? That's stupid. If an Indian person wants to wear a dot on their forehead, that's fine, just like a Jewish teacher can wear a Jarmulka. The distinction is in whether or not they push their belief or ideology onto the students. That's the line that should not be crossed, and the idiot teacher in this case obviously did that and should be fired.

 

[jackstar7]

Wearing something is not the same as bringing the your views into the classroom, nice try though.

They were your words. I just quoted them.

 

[Todd33]

Sorry I find it all pushing their beliefs, no matter how small. The only reason a person wheres a crucifix is to tell the world they are Christian. Why do we need to confuse children? The question will come up and the teacher will cross a line, because the line is not defined. Keep it out of the school, put it on when you are off the clock, very simple.

One you start making allowences for something you are ok with, someone will want something you are not ok with. How would you like to come to school and see the teacher like this?

 

[PokerGuy]

Sorry I find it all pushing their beliefs, no matter how small.

Then you must be one of those people who think "tolerance" means everyone only doing what you approve of. So what if someone wears something? So long as they're not pushing it onto others, there's no reason to curtail freedoms.

The only reason a person wheres a crucifix is to tell the world they are Christian.

Uh, and you know this how? I wear one because I want to, and it's not worn for anyone to see (it's inside my shirt). Women wear necklaces of all sorts all the time, you think those are all OK, except for certain ones that you think have some sort of meaning?

Why do we need to confuse children? The question will come up and the teacher will cross a line, because the line is not defined.

Nonsense, children are not 'confused' by seeing something or hearing a basic explanation of what it is.

Keep it out of the school, put it on when you are off the clock, very simple.

So your new rule is, jewelry or accessories of any kind for anyone then. Unless you think it's fine to allow certain things but not others (ie, discriminate against people based on their religion). What about those who have an ash marking on ash wednesday? What about the Jarmulka? What about those wearing a turban? Trying to draw those distinctions makes no sense. The problem isn't people wearing those things, the problem is if they try to push their ideology/beliefs onto the kids.

One you start making allowences for something you are ok with, someone will want something you are not ok with. How would you like to come to school and see the teacher like this?

There are surely teachers out there who wear a headcover, and there's no problem with it. Covering the face is another matter altogether because it would interfere with the students being able to see the facial communications as well as have security implications (ID etc). That's a different issue.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Most people on this forum would agree that if the teacher was white and the student black that the media would be blowing this up until the teacher got fired. Switch the colors and its a "well lets not do it again" type infraction. I don't give a damn which direction they choose but dammit they need to be consistent with all races or they become racists themselves.

 

[waggy]

Most people on this forum would agree that if the teacher was white and the student black that the media would be blowing this up until the teacher got fired. Switch the colors and its a "well lets not do it again" type infraction. I don't give a damn which direction they choose but dammit they need to be consistent with all races or they become racists themselves.

places won't from the forums to the government white guilt plays a role. its ok to be racist against whites and Asians. but get the pitch forks out when it comes to being racist against blacks.

What about those who have an ash marking on ash wednesday? What about the Jarmulka? What about those wearing a turban? Trying to draw those distinctions makes no sense. The problem isn't people wearing those things, the problem is if they try to push their ideology/beliefs onto the kids.

exactly. i don't care about your religion. don't push it on me or my kids.

 

[Todd33]

So your new rule is, jewelry or accessories of any kind for anyone then. Unless you think it's fine to allow certain things but not others (ie, discriminate against people based on their religion). What about those who have an ash marking on ash wednesday? What about the Jarmulka? What about those wearing a turban? Trying to draw those distinctions makes no sense. The problem isn't people wearing those things, the problem is if they try to push their ideology/beliefs onto the kids.

The simple answer is no religious or political symbolism. Fair for everyone. Don't like the rules, get another job - one not using public money and around children. Wearing something "because I want to" is not a valid answer. There are plenty of dress code rules for teachers, why not address this as one?

 

[NoStateofMind]

The simple answer is no religious or political symbolism. Fair for everyone. Don't like the rules, get another job - one not using public money and around children. Wearing something "because I want to" is not a valid answer. There are plenty of dress code rules for teachers, why not address this as one?

You dont like freedom of expression do you? In the work place is one thing but to a student its another. And dont be ridiculous and come back with some "what if the student had 'fuck' written on his shirt" bullshit. Thats clearly unacceptable and not a valid argument.

 

[Svnla]

Most people on this forum would agree that if the teacher was white and the student black that the media would be blowing this up until the teacher got fired. Switch the colors and its a "well lets not do it again" type infraction. I don't give a damn which direction they choose but dammit they need to be consistent with all races or they become racists themselves.

Yup.

See the link I posted above from USAToday which was about black thugs gang up and attacked Asian students in school just because. And see how the black principal and her administration behaved.

Imagine a group of white thugs gang up and attacked black students just because.....and a white principal and his/her admininstration would behave like that.

As I said before, discrimination against blacks is wrong, so is against white, brown, blue, green, and so on. Don't have the double standard.