Teacher resigns after burning flag in classroom

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

What about the taxpayers who think it's no big deal?

Is this truly the metric we should use to determine what is appropriate for public schools.

My understanding is that this teacher was attempting to promote discussion for a civics class.

As I stated earlier, would he come into class wearing a KKK outfit and start burning crosses to illustrate racism?

After the Mel Gibson fiasco, would he come into class and have any Jewish students wear "Stars of David" and then have other students persecute them to illustrate the insanity of the Holocaust?

Would he seperate the class by racial or cultural lines, and then treat each group differently to illustrate what segregation was like?

There are many ways to foster debate in a civics class...and healthy discussion does not require engaging in an act which many deem is disrespectful and inappropriate, particularly for a classroom.

If he were teaching the kids 'white people are superior' or 'Jews start all the wars' or such, that would be a lot worse than just "disrespectful and inappropriate." As for burning the flag, I think the full context is important to understanding if it was disrespectful or inappropriate in any way.



And To people freaked out about fire in school, were you guys in the special-ed classes or something were they didn't let you near sharp objects either?

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Lesson learned eh? Burn a flag you lose your job.

That?s one heck of a statement the school made.

Sounds good to me, the guy was an idiot for even thinking that.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Tom
As a liberal Democratic supporter of the ACLU, I would fire this jerk on the spot. There's a big difference between explaining why there's a right to burn a flag, and burning a flag.

...and that is?

We burned stuff all the time in school, and I really fail to see how this a fire hazard. Especially when people are hiding nationalism while pretending to be concerned with safety.

Burning a flag is a political act. That is why it's protected by the 1st Amendment. Assuming the teacher worked at a public school, taxpayers don't have to employ teachers that want to express political views they find reprehensible.

You could use that argument to argue against ANYTHING you don't find appropriate at school...

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

Who cares if you are a teacher? It has nothing to do with being a boring teacher.. it was a completely valid way of discussion.. it OBVIOUSLY HAD an impact if some lame parents decided to complain.. that is discussion to me!

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Tom
As a liberal Democratic supporter of the ACLU, I would fire this jerk on the spot. There's a big difference between explaining why there's a right to burn a flag, and burning a flag.

I don't care if you are the most "liberal" "democrat" in the entire aclu... doesn't make your opinion any more valuable than less "liberal" "independents" or any other variation of political views...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

Who cares if you are a teacher? It has nothing to do with being a boring teacher.. it was a completely valid way of discussion.. it OBVIOUSLY HAD an impact if some lame parents decided to complain.. that is discussion to me!

ummm. read his post again... slowly this time. he feels i can have no opinion of how boring this flag burning teacher must be if he can't spark his student's interest without doing something radical because i am not "a real teacher". so therefore i have set him straight.

got it?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

Maybe *you're* the boring one and this flag-burning teacher is really lighting a fire under his student's figurative asses? Why don't you ask the kids what they think? Maybe they think he's the coolest teacher ever and are really learning at a high rate in his class? Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Tom
As a liberal Democratic supporter of the ACLU, I would fire this jerk on the spot. There's a big difference between explaining why there's a right to burn a flag, and burning a flag.

I don't care if you are the most "liberal" "democrat" in the entire aclu... doesn't make your opinion any more valuable than less "liberal" "independents" or any other variation of political views...

His point (that you missed) is that there are ways to start a discussion without actually setting fires. Also, he was providing a basis from where his post was coming from. That is also missing in most of yours. He has a right to his opinion.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

Maybe *you're* the boring one and this flag-burning teacher is really lighting a fire under his student's figurative asses? Why don't you ask the kids what they think? Maybe they think he's the coolest teacher ever and are really learning at a high rate in his class? Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

because he has to light a fire under them this way due to his incapabilities of prompting discussion in a lesser radical way. yeh, that makes him cool.

read the original article again. it seems he's frightening some of these 6th graders with his unannounced actions. not a way to teach a class.

and thanks, but i don't smoke.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Todd33
Nothing to see here, get back to reading outdated biology text with "Just a theory" stickers in them. We would not want out children to think... bad teacher, you upset the flag waving sheeple.

i gag every time someone falls back on the word sheeple in this forum. it's like the sheeple callers are now the sheeple because they've all picked up on that word like a trail of reeces pieces attracting E.T.

face it, the teacher must be boring. he needs to shock his 6th graders into discussion.
there were other ways to spark their interest rather than lighting something on fire in a classroom.

face it? Hehe, that sort of reminds me of calling sheeple callers sheeple. Fact it is a Reeces piece, no? The only thing your post taught me was that you think you know a lot more about teaching the 6th grade or how 6th grade teachers should think than I think you do. Why on earth should I face your opinion rather than the one of a real teacher? The teacher must be boring because you say so. Why not, you must be boring because that's all you can come up with by way of explanation, seeing yourself in others, as it were.

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

Maybe *you're* the boring one and this flag-burning teacher is really lighting a fire under his student's figurative asses? Why don't you ask the kids what they think? Maybe they think he's the coolest teacher ever and are really learning at a high rate in his class? Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

They did ask:

Stuart sixth-grader Kelsey Adwell, 11, said students were abuzz about the incident yesterday.

"They just can't believe that a teacher would do that -- burn two American flags in front of the class," she said. "A teacher shouldn't do that, even though it was an example."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
because he has to light a fire under them this way due to his incapabilities of prompting discussion in a lesser radical way. yeh, that makes him cool.

read the original article again. it seems he's frightening some of these 6th graders with his unannounced actions. not a way to teach a class.

and thanks, but i don't smoke.

Simply your opinion. For all you know he might be getting great results. "It seems he's frightening..." What a load. We must be raising a generation of trembling, risk-adverse, little pussies with the kind of coddling of children suggested around here.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
They did ask:

Stuart sixth-grader Kelsey Adwell, 11, said students were abuzz about the incident yesterday.

"They just can't believe that a teacher would do that -- burn two American flags in front of the class," she said. "A teacher shouldn't do that, even though it was an example."

What about the rest of the class?

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: moshquerade
because he has to light a fire under them this way due to his incapabilities of prompting discussion in a lesser radical way. yeh, that makes him cool.

read the original article again. it seems he's frightening some of these 6th graders with his unannounced actions. not a way to teach a class.

and thanks, but i don't smoke.

Simply your opinion. For all you know he might be getting great results. "It seems he's frightening..." What a load. We must be raising a generation of trembling, risk-adverse, little pussies with the kind of coddling of children suggested around here.

You have a direct quote from one of the students in the article. Are you choosing to ignore it?

 

[DealMonkey]

I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

how do you know i am not a teacher?

mull that one over.

I would say that you are a piss poor teacher if you are posting on here as much as you do during the day instead of giving your attention to your students.

This teacher is one that the students will not forget because he stands out from the crowd. He is encouraging learning by going outside the norm and helping to indoctrinate the next generation of McWorkers.

The teacher isn't showing any favortism towards any particular political viewpoint (as someone tried to suggest earlier) because he is inviting everyone's opinion to be expressed. That means whether you were for the demonstration or against, you would have had to opportunity to express your beliefs and be heard.

This is exactly the type of teacher that I want for my children. Someone that encourages freethinking and challanges the students to be participants in the learning process and not just sponges trying to absorb enough material to pass the NCLB test at the end of the year.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

It doesn't matter. If it upset one student, then that is enough. I wouldn't want a teacher pushing their political views on my kids. That's just flat out wrong.

And accordig to a poll from the paper more than half of the voters wanted something done..

Fire hime = 35%
Suspended = 17
Rassigned = 3
promoted = 4
do nothing = 40

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

It doesn't matter. If it upset one student, then that is enough. I wouldn't want a teacher pushing their political views on my kids. That's just flat out wrong.

And accordig to a poll from the paper more than half of the voters wanted something done..

Fire hime = 35%
Suspended = 17
Rassigned = 3
promoted = 4
do nothing = 40

Oh noes.....think of the chitlins!!!

Let's look at it objectively....as I stated in my previous post, he didn't force his political opinion or belief on anyone. That is your first fallacy. Second, your poll, depending on the margin of error, it could be that over half want nothing done.

This guy's only problem is that he is trying to teach kids to think for themselves when their parents are afraid of what might happen if they begin to do so.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

It doesn't matter. If it upset one student, then that is enough. I wouldn't want a teacher pushing their political views on my kids. That's just flat out wrong.

And accordig to a poll from the paper more than half of the voters wanted something done..

Fire hime = 35%
Suspended = 17
Rassigned = 3
promoted = 4
do nothing = 40

Oh no the tyranny of the one student who's too big of a baby to be exposed to other views! Well hey, at least I'm in the majority: 40% do nothing.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

It doesn't matter. If it upset one student, then that is enough. I wouldn't want a teacher pushing their political views on my kids. That's just flat out wrong.

And accordig to a poll from the paper more than half of the voters wanted something done..

Fire hime = 35%
Suspended = 17
Rassigned = 3
promoted = 4
do nothing = 40

Oh noes.....think of the chitlins!!!

Let's look at it objectively....as I stated in my previous post, he didn't force his political opinion or belief on anyone. That is your first fallacy. Second, your poll, depending on the margin of error, it could be that over half want nothing done.

This guy's only problem is that he is trying to teach kids to think for themselves when their parents are afraid of what might happen if they begin to do so.

It's obvious that he believes flag burning is protected. That is his political view and he is forcing it on 6th graders by making them watch. Did they have the right to walk out of class if they disagreed? I highly doubt that would be allowed.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I'm simply saying that's one quote from one student. What about the rest of the class?

It doesn't matter. If it upset one student, then that is enough. I wouldn't want a teacher pushing their political views on my kids. That's just flat out wrong.

And accordig to a poll from the paper more than half of the voters wanted something done..

Fire hime = 35%
Suspended = 17
Rassigned = 3
promoted = 4
do nothing = 40

Oh no the tyranny of the one student whose too big of a baby to be exposed to other views! Well hey, at least I'm in the majority: 40% do nothing.

Actually the majority think he should be removed from the school in one way or the other.

 

[DealMonkey]

Oh really? Read it again. Suspended != Removed.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Oh really? Read it again. Suspended != Removed.

He would no longer be in the school for a length of time, that means removed.