Teacher pulls chair out from under student?

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Kelemvor

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Teacher didn't even do anything. I was expecting to see a guy end up flat on his back because the teacher yanked the chair out while he was sitting on it. But all he did was grab the chair, the dude stodd up, and the teacher removed the chair. Whoop dee freaking doo.

Granted somehow I don't think that cheapie boombox he was using was sanctioned by the school unless it was playing over the PA system and that's why it sounded like crap, but nothing was out of line except the screaming which the jackass kid deserved.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: illusion88
Originally posted by: CheapArse
You don't have to recite the pledge but at least stand to show respect...

You know I totally agree with you.

But shouldnt it be your right to not show respect?

No, that isn't a right in a public institution. You can get suspended/expelled for showing a lack of respect if it were targeted at staff. The kid was testing his boundaries, and the teacher showed him where those boundaries are supposed to be.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: thomsbrain
rather than use physical force to enforce an arbitrary symbolic gesture of "respect" for something that is in that child's rights to not respect, the teacher (whose job is to TEACH, not bully) would have been far better served by explaining to the child WHY he might consider respecting the flag, and then let him draw his own conclusions and act upon them accordingly.

Sure great idea, next time a boy walks out in the middle of class and hangs out in the girl's locker room, maybe the gym teacher should explain to the kid why he might consider being in class and not watching the girl's undress, and then let him draw his own conclusions and act upon them accordingly.

OMG Grow a spine!
 

Triumph

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Man, what the hell? I guess none of these people ever had a nun for a teacher! WHACK! with a ruler right across the knuckles. That's how it was in every classroom, and from that perspective this teacher really ain't that bad. So I don't really care one way or the other.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Amol
WTF? What's with all the no answers???

I would have voted "HELL YES", but there was no choice for that

You have to keep in mind that the majority on this board haven't even finished high school yet. It's sad when you have about of 15 year olds talking out their butt trying to be convincing philosophically enlightened adults.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Amol
WTF? What's with all the no answers???

I would have voted "HELL YES", but there was no choice for that

You have to keep in mind that the majority on this board haven't even finished high school yet. It's sad when you have about of 15 year olds talking out their butt trying to be convincing philosophically enlightened adults.

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Legendary

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Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Amol
WTF? What's with all the no answers???

I would have voted "HELL YES", but there was no choice for that

You have to keep in mind that the majority on this board haven't even finished high school yet. It's sad when you have about of 15 year olds talking out their butt trying to be convincing philosophically enlightened adults.

I'm sure many people voted no due to the fact that the Supreme Court basically forbade any behavior anywhere near similar to this:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=319&invol=624
(thanks loki)
That case specifically involves a school, and the Supreme Court ruled that any educational institution does NOT have the right to force a student to, in any way, salute the flag.
 

UpGrD

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Children do not have 1st amendment rights. If they do then it would be perfectly OK for children to tell there parents to "F Off" without recourse.
Showing respect is part of learning, and school is a place of learning. It should not have gotten physical but some form of punishment was in order..
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Excelsior
Originally posted by: SagaLore
Originally posted by: Amol
WTF? What's with all the no answers???

I would have voted "HELL YES", but there was no choice for that

You have to keep in mind that the majority on this board haven't even finished high school yet. It's sad when you have about of 15 year olds talking out their butt trying to be convincing philosophically enlightened adults.

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Even worse.

Viper GTS
 

DougK62

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The students have every right to sit during the pledge. There is plenty of precedent saying that they can. The teacher should be reprimanded, but not severely.

 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: UpGrD
Children do not have 1st amendment rights. If they do then it would be perfectly OK for children to tell there parents to "F Off" without recourse.

Uh - it IS perfectly acceptable for a child to tell their parent to "F Off". You think they'd go to juvenile or something for that? The parent has the option to punish the child and teach some respect issues, but there is nothing "illegal" about cursing to your parent - just stupidity.

Showing respect is part of learning, and school is a place of learning. It should not have gotten physical but some form of punishment was in order..

Respect is something you are taught at home. School is were you learn the books - they are not responsible for teaching respect.

 

JDub02

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the kid needs beat severely ... or deported.

you might not like the way this country is run, but you darn well better respect this country, the flag, and those who have died for it. if not, get the fvck out.
 

pulse8

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Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: UpGrD
Showing respect is part of learning, and school is a place of learning. It should not have gotten physical but some form of punishment was in order..

Respect is something you are taught at home. School is were you learn the books - they are not responsible for teaching respect.

So what are teachers supposed to do when the kids don't respect them? I don't think physical action should be taken, but how do you think these teachers should handle this?
 

JackBurton

Lifer
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I think the teacher was wrong in pulling out the student's chair...he should have punched that fvcker in the face!
 

iamme

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Originally posted by: pulse8
The kid's an asshole, but the teacher didn't handle it properly.

exactly. you can tell the kids knew exactly how to push the teacher's buttons and they did. they set him up on tape, just to bust him. they were giggling and laughing the whole time, because it was all a big joke to them.
 

randomlinh

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while yes, he should show some respect, and yes, kids these days lack this.... that doesn't give the teacher the right to do what he did. I remember back in elementary school if any student pulled a seat out from anyone, that was means for suspension. why? because at that particular school I was at, a student was severly hurt from that.
 

DougK62

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Originally posted by: pulse8
Originally posted by: DougK62
Originally posted by: UpGrD
Showing respect is part of learning, and school is a place of learning. It should not have gotten physical but some form of punishment was in order..

Respect is something you are taught at home. School is were you learn the books - they are not responsible for teaching respect.

So what are teachers supposed to do when the kids don't respect them? I don't think physical action should be taken, but how do you think these teachers should handle this?

I substitute taught at a high school for about 6 months and they told me that if a student wouldn't behave after being asked then give them after-school detention - if that didn't work I was to call security to have them removed from the class and taken to an in-school detention sort of thing where someone else would deal with it.

Teachers are for teaching. There are other adults in the building that are hired for discipline.



 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Pciber
http://www.snigle.net/DucoNihilum/chair.wmv

story

A student named Jay (who wants his last name to be withheld) at Brick Township High School in New Jersey, had his chair pulled out from under him after he refused to stand for the national anthem. The class started out that morning with Mantel yelling "I don't want to hear a sound! Not a sound! Morning exercises will come on, you will stand, you will stand quietly, you will pay attention! Any Questions!?...Now stand up and keep your mouths shut!" Students stood up as the national anthem began playing.
In the middle of the anthem, Mantel walked over to Jay and demanded that he stand up. Jay silently refused, and Mantel yelled again, "Stand up!". Jay then said "I don't have to stand up". To which Mantel insisted "You have to stand." Jay said "No I don't". Mantel then reached over and pulled Jay's chair out from under him. Jay responded to Stuart Mantel's outrageous behavior by asking Mantel "Are you serious?", to which Mantel yelled "I am damn well serious."
Jay said that he didn't have any political reasons for his refusal to stand but that he wanted to sit because he feels it is his right to do so and that right was being threatened by Mantel. Jay said that he thought Mantel might tell him to stand, but he never expected to be physically forced to do so.
Jay's friend who was in the class at the time, Corey, says that their teacher had been strict in the past in demanding that students stand for the national anthem and pledge of allegiance. That's why they brought in a camera - to expose the teacher in case he did anything again. "The teacher and school principals wanted him (Mantel) to press charges against us...they tried to blame it on us like it was premeditated, like we did it just to get him on tape, which is false. We knew he was gonna go nuts because he frequently used to" said Corey.
Jay's other classmate Steve got suspended for 10 days for filming the incident. The school told Corey that it "violated the teacher's constitutional rights" for them to film the teacher without his permission."I think that its crazy that people are getting in trouble for this or things they say. There have been so many kids video taping and no one ever got in trouble for it. So why now?" Jay asked. It sounds as if the school is punishing this student now because of the nature of what's on the tape, not the fact they were taping the teacher without his permission.
When I asked Corey if Mantel was being punished for pulling out Jay's chair, he said "Nope...I asked (the principal) 'What are you doing to discipline Mantel?' and they said 'we talked'. Teachers do anything they want". Seeing acts like Mantel's go unpunished will likely inspire teachers to continue intimidating their students into standing for the national anthem and pledge of allegiance.

If you would like to let Brick Schools know how you feel about their handling of this situation, you may contact them here:

Brick Township Public Schools
Board of Education
101 Hendrickson Ave
Brick, NJ 08723
732-785-3000

Brick Township High School
346 Chambers Bridge Road
Brick, NJ 08723
(732)262-2500


The teacher should be punished for this incident, but not severely, imho. He violated the student's rights, but in a non-violent way. It seems like the teacher was just in a terrible mood, and was going to get respect into these kids, weather they liked it or not.

What the student did wasn't proper, it wasn't respectful, but he had the right to do it, which is what makes this country great. Maybe that day he just felt particularly pissed off towards the country about the war, or maybe he was just a stupid teen making a stand against his teacher.

If that kid had landed at an unfortunate angle he might be nursing spinal injuries or broken bones. The teacher should be immediately put on leave, pending an investigation.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Nik
Good for the teacher. The nation's youth gets more and more complacent, apathetic, chaotic, and disrespectful every day. :|

And there's an obesity epidemic, too...
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
That kid is lucky I'm not his teacher... ;)

Yes, he is lucky - narrow minded conservatives are not so great at inspiring kids to be enthusiastic about learning, and it is a good thing he doesn't have to put up with the likes of you.


 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Nik
Good for the teacher. The nation's youth gets more and more complacent, apathetic, chaotic, and disrespectful every day. :|

And there's an obesity epidemic, too...

Yeah, maybe if students would STAND for the pledge instead of sitting on their fat asses, we could take care of two problems at once.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: daniel1113
That kid is lucky I'm not his teacher... ;)

Yes, he is lucky - narrow minded conservatives are not so great at inspiring kids to be enthusiastic about learning, and it is a good thing he doesn't have to put up with the likes of you.

I'm FAR from conservative and I can tell you that kid needs a freakin' beating!
 

KK

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Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: TwiceOver
For those ATOT'ers in NJ, I feel bad. The reason is that in this day (The age of the lawsuit) I hope that kids parents sue the school. If that fvcker did that to my kid I wouldn't rest till his ass was fired. He has no right to discipline my kid... I DO!

The problem with that is that you don't discipline your kids. Maybe not you yourself but a majority of these parents nowadays have no right to be parents. They send there retarded kids off to school and don't give two sh1ts as to how they act. Personnally I feel the teacher shouldn't have pulled the chair but he could have sent the kid to the office.

^ But that's basically the same thing as pulling the chair out from under him.

You're discriminating against and disciplining the kid for exercising his rights.

What the teacher should have done was go on with the pledge and paid no attention to the kid at all. Having the majority of the class despise him for not standing is probably punishment enough. All the teacher did was make the situation worse.

Quit failing back on the "exercising his rights" bullsh1t. That is the most pansy ass cop out. The teacher told the kid to stand, he didn't. Therefore he didn't obey the teacher and should be dealt with. If the kid was standing and the teacher told him to sit, are you going to say, he was "exercising his rights" Where is the discipline/respect for authority these days.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: daniel1113
Originally posted by: illusion88
But shouldnt it be your right to not show respect? I mean sh!t we can burn the mother fvcking flag. Thats been to the supreme court and was shot down. The kid has a right to choose to sit or stand. If doesnt want to show respect he shouldnt have to.

I think students should also have the right not to attend class... after all, it's a free country.

When you're at school, you show respect when respect is due, or you pay the consequences. Simple.

Show respect to who? The state? The consitution? The behavior of that kid - not standing during the pledge - was perfectly acceptable. The kid was not demonstrating disrespect toward the teacher, certainly. It is the teacher behaving in aprofoundly disrespectful manner, by demanding this student stand for something he wish to stand for. You pathetic morons who lack the balls to defend the rights other people have fought for make me want to vomit.