Teacher fired for using non preferred pronoun

[Fanatical Meat]

A teacher says he was fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student | CNN

A Virginia teacher has filed a lawsuit saying he was wrongfully fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student.

www.cnn.com

I see this bound for failure, find it hard to accept someone’s religion could be used to keep them from following what multiple superiors asked them to comply with. Pretty sure this has been ironed out in court many times.
If this isn’t something the teacher is willing to do then leave, don’t troll.

 

[fskimospy]

A teacher says he was fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student | CNN

A Virginia teacher has filed a lawsuit saying he was wrongfully fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student.

www.cnn.com

I see this bound for failure, find it hard to accept someone’s religion could be used to keep them from following what multiple superiors asked them to comply with. Pretty sure this has been ironed out in court many times.
If this isn’t something the teacher is willing to do then leave, don’t troll.

Clearly the teacher should have been fired but I wouldn’t be sure it’s an open and shut case. After all, the Hobby Lobby decision said that people don’t have to obey laws if they don’t want to so long as they say it’s because of their religion.

All that aside this teacher sounds like a giant asshole. Can you imagine deciding to make such a big stink over what pronoun you use to refer to someone that you get fired over it?

 

[brycejones]

A teacher says he was fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student | CNN

A Virginia teacher has filed a lawsuit saying he was wrongfully fired for refusing to use male pronouns for a transgender student.

www.cnn.com

I see this bound for failure, find it hard to accept someone’s religion could be used to keep them from following what multiple superiors asked them to comply with. Pretty sure this has been ironed out in court many times.
If this isn’t something the teacher is willing to do then leave, don’t troll.

I would call it harassment not just trolling. The teacher needed to be fired.

 

[TheVrolok]

So the violation of his religious belief is that he cannot tell a lie and using the incorrect pronoun is a lie? That's the hill these idiots want to die on? Yikes.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

 

[ch33zw1z]

All that aside this teacher sounds like a giant asshole. Can you imagine deciding to make such a big stink over what pronoun you use to refer to someone that you get fired over it?

Actually, yes...I can. As a guy indoctrinated by Evangelicals for my entire youth, I can say they are the biggest group of two faced assholes I've ever encountered. Telling you all about how God is love while casting judgement on you simultaneously.

I also love how this guy's argument is basically a big temper tantrum, like religious nutter schools arent all over the place in the Bible belt. I guess then he couldn't spread his nonsense to others and +1 his feels by treating others as lower class citizens.

"This isn't just about a pronoun, it's about what that pronoun means," Tyson Langhofer, director of the ADF Center for Academic Freedom, said in a statement. "This was never about anything Peter said or did; only about what the school was demanding he say. Nobody should be forced to contradict his core beliefs just to keep a job."

Please, people are forced to contradict their beliefs to maintain employment all the effin time. It's only religious nutters who pull this crap.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

To the deplorables, I’d fire a transgender that insisted upon using any pronoun someone said not to use on that person. Obviously take steps to correct but if they gave me a big FU I’m not going to door it they’d be gone.
Trouble makers at work are the worst poison for any business/work environment

 

[ch33zw1z]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

So, just to be clear, the adult in the room can behave like a child to teach children to behave like an adult, ok pal...lol.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Actually, yes...I can. As a guy indoctrinated by Evangelicals for my entire youth, I can say they are the biggest group of two faced assholes I've ever encountered. Telling you all about how God is love while casting judgement on you simultaneously.

I also love how this guy's argument is basically a big temper tantrum, like religious nutter schools arent all over the place in the Bible belt. I guess then he couldn't spread his nonsense to others and +1 his feels by treating others as lower class citizens.



Please, people are forced to contradict their beliefs to maintain employment all the effin time. It's only religious nutters who pull this crap.

Agreed, how long would I last at a sandwich shop if Ihanded out food to anyone who was hungry for whatever they can afford all they way down to zero or I took food to the homeless.
Jesus told me to feed the hungry!
Point is, it’s not my food to give away.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So, just to be clear, the adult in the room can behave like a child to teach children to behave like an adult, ok pal...lol.

Meh, to each their own. I'm not the one acting like a 14 year old knows what they are doing in life

The PC brigade has really gone overboard - with things like this I just see a group of 10+ 30 year old school admins standing around a 14 year old saying "Oh you're so brave! Teach me more, I'm just so inexperienced!" as if the kid has life figured out and couldn't possibly be developing, going through puberty, and DEFINITELY not just seeking attention like every single child ever has.

Idiocracy really has taken hold.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Meh, to each their own. I'm not the one acting like a 14 year old knows what they are doing in life

The PC brigade has really gone overboard - with things like this I just see a group of 10+ 30 year old school admins standing around a 14 year old saying "Oh you're so brave! Teach me more, I'm just so inexperienced!" as if they have life figured out and couldn't possibly be developing, going through puberty, and DEFINITELY not just seeking attention like every single child ever has.

You, again, offer assumptions without any knowledge of the student directly.

Yet, I dont see how any of this speculation matters. Do you think that a child going thru a potentially challenging time in their youth deserves to have a religious nutter try to stunt their emotional growth by disseminating his own version of reality in a school setting? All the while the school district is telling him to knock it off?

Maybe, just maybe, Christian's should stop cherry picking which passages of the Bible they want to apply to others in their condescension, and just go with the final message from the Bible.

Idiocracy really has taken hold.

You should probably review that movie again, Idiocracy can definitely be seen in our country, and it's not the transgender crowd that you'll find it in, and you won't find it in a PC crowd either, lol...

 

[dawp]

by the age of 14 most, if not all, people know who they are attracted to and what they feel like. this teacher, not so much.

suppressing that can have detrimental effects to the person for whatever reason, religious or otherwise.

 

[fskimospy]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

You’re exactly right, it’s about someone putting on their big boy pants.

The teacher was given reasonable direction by administration to treat their students with respect and call them by what they wished to be called. They petulantly refused and were rightly fired.

Sometimes being an adult and having a job means doing things you don’t want to do. It’s long since time that teacher grew up and learned that.

 

[fskimospy]

Imagine being so immature that you get yourself fired because someone wants you to say ‘he’ instead of ‘she’ to one person.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Imagine being so immature that you get yourself fired because someone wants you to say ‘he’ instead of ‘she’ to one person.

Not only that but specifically making no attempt to comply, this wasn’t a case of the teacher being used to calling him “her” and screwed it up a few time. The dude went out of his way to not comply.

Now I understand how it can be a confusing difficult thing to navigate. Worked with a guy who became a girl around 20 years ago and it was awkward because no guidance was given as to when he became she. I managed to navigate that situation and if I were to do it now I’d simply ask and set the expectation that I may make a mistake and please correct me when I do.
I go to church with a trans woman, I cannot imagine her as a man. I cannot think of a reason why I’d refer to her as a man. I’d have to specifically go out of my way to call her “he”.

A little OT @ch33zw1z you should try out a Protestant or Unitarian Church even if it’s just to see how they function.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

You, again, offer assumptions without any knowledge of the student directly.

Yet, I dont see how any of this speculation matters. Do you think that a child going thru a potentially challenging time in their youth deserves to have a religious nutter try to stunt their emotional growth by disseminating his own version of reality in a school setting? All the while the school district is telling him to knock it off?

Maybe, just maybe, Christian's should stop cherry picking which passages of the Bible they want to apply to others in their condescension, and just go with the final message from the Bible.

No - admittedly, I don''t think it was worth such a fight from the teacher. Come to think of it, I can't see a reason why a teacher would need to use pronouns in a classroom unless it involves a discussion with 2+ students which isn't often. So in a sense, I agree that it's a stupid fight.

I would have at least taken a neutral point of refusing to use pronouns but would be willing to call by name or neutral words such as "you".

 

[ch33zw1z]

No - admittedly, I don''t think it was worth such a fight from the teacher. Come to think of it, I can't see a reason why a teacher would need to use pronouns in a classroom unless it involves a discussion with 2+ students which isn't often. So in a sense, I agree that it's a stupid fight.

I would have at least taken a neutral point of refusing to use pronouns but would be willing to call by name or neutral words such as "you".

Why? Is it your religious beliefs causing a problem? Or just being an a-hole? What's so difficult about a teacher being corrected and providing an inclusive environment?

 

[ch33zw1z]

A little OT @ch33zw1z you should try out a Protestant or Unitarian Church even if it’s just to see how they function.

Well, thanks, but Protestants are Evangelicals. They're hard core believers.

My wife brings the kids to a small congregational church is town here, if they go at all. While I dont attend, I'm ok with it. They're laid back, provide the new testament "God is love" environment for the most part. And here at home I'm a straight heathen, encouraging my kids to question everything. Anyways...enough about that, I just remember my childhood for what it was, raised my Evangelicals leaves a lasting impression

 

[Matt390]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

" He and his mother asked for him to be referred to with his preferred name and pronouns: he, him, his"

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Well, thanks, but Protestants are Evangelicals. They're hard core believers.

My wife brings the kids to a small congregational church is town here, if they go at all. While I dont attend, I'm ok with it. They're laid back, provide the new testament "God is love" environment for the most part. And here at home I'm a straight heathen, encouraging my kids to question everything. Anyways...enough about that, I just remember my childhood for what it was, raised my Evangelicals leaves a lasting impression

Congregational Protestant is what I meant, should try it out could be good to get a different perspective ease old bad memories.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

No - admittedly, I don''t think it was worth such a fight from the teacher. Come to think of it, I can't see a reason why a teacher would need to use pronouns in a classroom unless it involves a discussion with 2+ students which isn't often. So in a sense, I agree that it's a stupid fight.

I would have at least taken a neutral point of refusing to use pronouns but would be willing to call by name or neutral words such as "you".

Or simp,y use their name, Sarah, Dave, Kyle i need you over here...
Seth, why did you say that to Kim?...

 

[Starbuck1975]

Or simp,y use their name, Sarah, Dave, Kyle i need you over here...
Seth, why did you say that to Kim?...

According to the article, the teacher did respect his name, but avoided pronouns. He’s a French teacher, maybe he doesn’t know how to conjugate for woke.

Most schools separate junior high health classes by biological sex. He is going to menstruate. He is going to develop breasts. He can get pregnant. Biological based classes for biological women are gendered to women. Are we going to have to change biology classes as well to accomodate gender expression?

 

[dank69]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

If you did this you wouldn't run afoul of these laws. You only have problems when a student, for example, says DO NOT call me a "he," I prefer "ze" or whatever, and you continue to call them "he." This is harassment, the same as if a teacher started calling an effeminate looking boy "she" over and over. That's fucking harassment, and deserves termination.

 

[cytg111]

The preferred pronoun thing is simply laughable.

No, children, I'm not going to acknowledge your stupidity by sticking my head in the sand with you. If you identify as an arabian unicorn and your preferred pronouns are Ze/Za/Zer then I simply won't acknowledge you.

This isn't a matter of "religious beliefs" it's a matter of not playing games with children and putting your big boy pants on in life.

And when we get to unicorns then lets have the debate again.. Until then... jfc.

 

[fskimospy]

According to the article, the teacher did respect his name, but avoided pronouns. He’s a French teacher, maybe he doesn’t know how to conjugate for woke.

Most schools separate junior high health classes by biological sex. He is going to menstruate. He is going to develop breasts. He can get pregnant. Biological based classes for biological women are gendered to women. Are we going to have to change biology classes as well to accomodate gender expression?

No, because sex and gender are two different things. One is biological and one is social/cultural.

What’s asked of this teacher is literally the smallest concession possible, to say one pronoun slightly differently for one person. If someone is unwilling to make such a tiny accommodation in defiance of their boss’s orders they should be fired.

Imagine if someone was born XXY. In some cases those people develop both male and female sex characteristics. Maybe in that case the teacher demands to call the student ‘it’ or ‘they’ using the same argument as cited in the article. Would that be okay?