Teacher charged after dogs smell drugs in his classroom desk

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FallenHero

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: crt1530
During a random drug search, police dogs found there could be drugs in the teacher's desk and he gave authorities consent to search his car. That's where police found half of a marijuana cigarette.

I guess he smoked so much dope he forgot how to say "I will not consent to a search of my vehicle" and "I want a lawyer." Freaking moron. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids because he's too freaking stupid. Seriously. What kind of imbecile consents to a vehicle search when they have drugs in the car?

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't know they searched his car until after they searched his car. Probable cause (papers smelling of weed) = warrant for search.

You might be hard pressed to get a warrant for a search of anything beyond the classroom. Until his admission of course...then well...he was screwed no matter what.

Don't special situations come into play when within a 100ft of schools concerning drugs? Haven't read the laws in awhile concerning this.

The only thing that makes it different is maybe the sentence. They could have walked a dog around his car without any PC anyway as the courts have ruled that its perfectly legal to do so. But a warrant for a home or even the car is really stretching it. Convincing a judge to grant permission to search the most protected area of the entire united states (read: your home) based on some foul smelling papers is going to be really really hard.

EDIT: As for the car...like I said, they probably asked permission to search to cover their bases. If the dog hit on the car, they dont need a warrant to search it. That alone is enough PC to enter it on the spot.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: crt1530
During a random drug search, police dogs found there could be drugs in the teacher's desk and he gave authorities consent to search his car. That's where police found half of a marijuana cigarette.

I guess he smoked so much dope he forgot how to say "I will not consent to a search of my vehicle" and "I want a lawyer." Freaking moron. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids because he's too freaking stupid. Seriously. What kind of imbecile consents to a vehicle search when they have drugs in the car?

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't know they searched his car until after they searched his car. Probable cause (papers smelling of weed) = warrant for search.
The police stated that he gave consent for a vehicle search. Cops don't ask for consent if they don't need it.

Yes we do. It covers our bases. Try getting evidence suppressed when you gave consent to the search. Good luck. :)
Since you've inserted yourself as an authority.... In your professional opinion, did the cops have probable cause to search his vehicle because they found sheets of paper that smelled like pot in his classroom?
 

Mrvile

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Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: FallenHero
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: crt1530
During a random drug search, police dogs found there could be drugs in the teacher's desk and he gave authorities consent to search his car. That's where police found half of a marijuana cigarette.

I guess he smoked so much dope he forgot how to say "I will not consent to a search of my vehicle" and "I want a lawyer." Freaking moron. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids because he's too freaking stupid. Seriously. What kind of imbecile consents to a vehicle search when they have drugs in the car?

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't know they searched his car until after they searched his car. Probable cause (papers smelling of weed) = warrant for search.

You might be hard pressed to get a warrant for a search of anything beyond the classroom. Until his admission of course...then well...he was screwed no matter what.

Don't special situations come into play when within a 100ft of schools concerning drugs? Haven't read the laws in awhile concerning this.

The only thing that makes it different is maybe the sentence. They could have walked a dog around his car without any PC anyway as the courts have ruled that its perfectly legal to do so. But a warrant for a home or even the car is really stretching it. Convincing a judge to grant permission to search the most protected area of the entire united states (read: your home) based on some foul smelling papers is going to be really really hard.

EDIT: As for the car...like I said, they probably asked permission to search to cover their bases. If the dog hit on the car, they dont need a warrant to search it. That alone is enough PC to enter it on the spot.

Hmm...well the fact that he did consent at all just proves that he doesn't really know what he's doing.

Last year they did a random lockdown and ran the dogs through the parking lot of our school. One kid got caught and expelled; the police paid special attention to his car because of a tip from a teacher, IIRC. So I figured that, since it was on school grounds, they could run the dogs out if they needed to, even from something as small as "your papers smell like weed" or "I think he smokes pot."
 

SampSon

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: crt1530
During a random drug search, police dogs found there could be drugs in the teacher's desk and he gave authorities consent to search his car. That's where police found half of a marijuana cigarette.

I guess he smoked so much dope he forgot how to say "I will not consent to a search of my vehicle" and "I want a lawyer." Freaking moron. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids because he's too freaking stupid. Seriously. What kind of imbecile consents to a vehicle search when they have drugs in the car?

You do realize drug dogs picking up the scent constitutes the probable cause needed for a vehicle search if he didn't consent, right?
They picked up the scent on some papers in his classroom. That doesn't give them probable cause to search his vehicle. The dogs might not have picked up the scent from outside the locked car.
He's a highschool teacher. What if he claimed the scent came from the fingers of one of his students? I would be absolutely willing to bet some of his students smoke marijuana.
 

crt1530

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I wasn't contesting their ability to run the dogs around his car. I'm saying that the dogs might not have picked up a scent from outside the locked car and I doubt they had probable cause to search inside without the dogs hitting on the exterior of the car. He gave them permission to search INSIDE the vehicle. He threw away every legal protection.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: crt1530
During a random drug search, police dogs found there could be drugs in the teacher's desk and he gave authorities consent to search his car. That's where police found half of a marijuana cigarette.

I guess he smoked so much dope he forgot how to say "I will not consent to a search of my vehicle" and "I want a lawyer." Freaking moron. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids because he's too freaking stupid. Seriously. What kind of imbecile consents to a vehicle search when they have drugs in the car?

You do realize drug dogs picking up the scent constitutes the probable cause needed for a vehicle search if he didn't consent, right?
They picked up the scent on some papers in his classroom. That doesn't give them probable cause to search his vehicle. The dogs might not have picked up the scent from outside the locked car.
He's a highschool teacher. What if he claimed the scent came from the fingers of one of his students? I would be absolutely willing to bet some of his students smoke marijuana.

In my original statement, I was really referring to the dogs picking up the scent on his car, not the papers.
 

SampSon

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In my original statement, I was really referring to the dogs picking up the scent on his car, not the papers.
No I understand, and I agree with you. I was just making another point.
 

Mrvile

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Originally posted by: crt1530
I wasn't contesting their ability to run the dogs around his car. I'm saying that the dogs might not have picked up a scent from outside the locked car and I doubt they had probable cause to search inside without the dogs hitting on the exterior of the car. He gave them permission to search INSIDE the vehicle. He threw away every legal protection.

That's true though. Once you consent, you're screwed. Gotta know your rights and what to say to the fuzz in these situations.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: crt1530
I wasn't contesting their ability to run the dogs around his car. I'm saying that the dogs might not have picked up a scent from outside the locked car and I doubt they had probable cause to search inside without the dogs hitting on the exterior of the car. He gave them permission to search INSIDE the vehicle. He threw away every legal protection.

That's true though. Once you consent, you're screwed. Gotta know your rights and what to say to the fuzz in these situations.

Especially if you've got something to hide ;). Hell, the guy could've just plain forgot he had weed in his car for all we know. Best to know your rights and exercise them in any case though.
 

OVERKILL

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I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

So you're saying it's OK as long as people don't know. Gotcha.
 

Eli

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Oh noes! teh pot!

:roll:

I'd be willing to bet all the kids loved him and he was an awesome teacher.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: crt1530
I wasn't contesting their ability to run the dogs around his car. I'm saying that the dogs might not have picked up a scent from outside the locked car and I doubt they had probable cause to search inside without the dogs hitting on the exterior of the car. He gave them permission to search INSIDE the vehicle. He threw away every legal protection.

That's true though. Once you consent, you're screwed. Gotta know your rights and what to say to the fuzz in these situations.
If he hadn't admitted to smoking at home and stated that one of his students must have turned in a smelly paper, I doubt the investigation would have gone much further.
 

OVERKILL

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

So you're saying it's OK as long as people don't know. Gotcha.


You can probably interpret what I said 20 different ways.

My point is clear to most people.


Have a nice night
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: SampSon
On a side note, I'm not sure why anyone here trys to change anyone elses mind on here.
Thoes who understand why drug laws are ridiculous know. Thoes who don't understand, don't know and probably don't want to know.
Many people view drug use as black and white, which is why people like this teacher get cruxified.
My problem is the hypocrisy. I just can't stand watching poor people like this teacher get crucified by our legal system with the full (hell, zealous and enthuiastic) support of an otherwise apathetic populace that habitually stops at the bar for a couple drinks on their daily drive home from work.

The fsckin' evil hypocrisy of it all. Quite frankly, it just pisses me off. I think that maybe they deserve a few years getting pounded up the ass by Bubba for doing something that everyone else does.
You know how you can tell a sick totalitarian society? When the only real law is: don't get caught.
I totally agree with you. Though I've recently stopped getting so worked up when someone else doesn't understand. It's simply not worth the stress (which kills by the way) You can't drill it into their heads, you can't provide them with enough facts and you can't expect them to change their opinion immediately if ever.

Sure it's hypocritical but they will always fall back on the black and white viewpoint of the law. Of course they will always conveniently ignore the fact that laws are open for interpretation and created by representatives of the people.
Indeed. :thumbsup:

Speaking of interpretations: Mich. cop avoids charge for pot brownies

Gotta admit though, this one makes me laugh more than it pisses me off.
omg. OMG!

Bwhahahahahahah!

The department's investigation began with a 911 call from Sanchez's home on April 21, 2006. On a 5-minute tape of the call, obtained by the Free Press, Sanchez told an emergency dispatcher he thought he and his wife were overdosing on marijuana.

"I think we're dying," he said. "We made brownies and I think we're dead, I really do."
:laugh::laugh:

They made brownies, not knowing anything about marijuana and presumably not having even tried it before?

Wow. LOL!
 

Mrvile

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Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: OVERKILL
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

So you're saying it's OK as long as people don't know. Gotcha.


You can probably interpret what I said 20 different ways.

My point is clear to most people.


Have a nice night

Your actual point is clear to me, it's just ridiculous.

Guess those teachers better not speed, drink, swear, make jokes because they might hurt someones feelings, or otherwise do anything but be a perfect citizen completely inline with social norms and standards. You're just specifically angry at this teacher because he probably does something you don't agree with and are using stereotypes, unjust laws, and society's opinion of marijuana to justify your reaction.

A crappy teacher is a crappy teacher, regardless of what they do in their personal life. I wouldn't care if a teacher fvcked inflatable sheep in his private life; as long as it doesn't impact the lecture.

I don't like weed; I don't smoke it; I just don't associate myself with it anymore. But even I can see how absolutely draconic drug laws are in this country. Should he have brought it onto school grounds even if it was legal? Nah. But is it that big of a deal if he did, or even that he uses it? I really don't think so. It's not like he was dealing coke or meth.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.
I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
Neither. Teachers should be role models for children.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.
I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
Neither. Teachers should be role models for children.

He'd still be a great role model if he didn't get caught.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.
I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
Neither. Teachers should be role models for children.

Hate to tell you, but teachers don't have that much influence on kids. Also, if it is something they are doing on their own time and not talking about it in class, how could the kids be influenced to do these things?

Not that it makes a difference because kids get enough influence from their peers.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.

So you're saying it's OK as long as people don't know. Gotcha.


You can probably interpret what I said 20 different ways.

My point is clear to most people.


Have a nice night

Your actual point is clear to me, it's just ridiculous.

Guess those teachers better not speed, drink, swear, make jokes because they might hurt someones feelings, or otherwise do anything but be a perfect citizen completely inline with social norms and standards. You're just specifically angry at this teacher because he probably does something you don't agree with and are using stereotypes, unjust laws, and society's opinion of marijuana to justify your reaction.

A crappy teacher is a crappy teacher, regardless of what they do in their personal life. I wouldn't care if a teacher fvcked inflatable sheep in his private life; as long as it doesn't impact the lecture.

I don't like weed; I don't smoke it; I just don't associate myself with it anymore. But even I can see how absolutely draconic drug laws are in this country. Should he have brought it onto school grounds even if it was legal? Nah. But is it that big of a deal if he did, or even that he uses it? I really don't think so. It's not like he was dealing coke or meth.
Yes, it is. Increased penalties for having drugs on school campuses are designed to protect children from drugs. Teachers should not get a special pass because they are adults. I am not going to argue about whether or not marijuana should be illegal. I will argue that drug enforcement on school campuses should be strictly enforced.
 

BigJ

Lifer
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Originally posted by: crt1530
Yes, it is. Increased penalties for having drugs on school campuses are designed to protect children from drugs. Teachers should not get a special pass because they are adults. I am not going to argue about whether or not marijuana should be illegal. I will argue that drug enforcement on school campuses should be strictly enforced.

I agree enforcement against drug dealing should have strict consequences, especially on school grounds, with legality being irrelevant. I'd be fine with laws against it being on school grounds. I just personally don't find a joint (if that's all he had) in his car being that big of a deal standing on its own. That's just my own personal feelings on the subject.
 

SampSon

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Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.
I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
Neither. Teachers should be role models for children.
Welcome to fantasy world, where teachers aren't human, parents participate in their childrens life to the fullest extent and everyone succeeds in life! It's really nice here, 75 and sunny year round, no taxes, unlimited free energy, free food and money grows on trees.. aw who are we kidding, we don't need money here!

Saying someone should be a "role model" is such a stuffed shirt cop out response. If anything parents should be the #1 role model in their childrens lives, but the reality is that so many of them are sh!t role models. So they look to someone else for their children to look up to, really sad.

I never had a single teacher I "looked up to" in my schooling career. Sure there were a couple that I liked, but they sure weren't a person I'd like to be. People have way too many expectations of teachers, exactly what do you want these people to be? They are not golden gods, they are not saviours of the planet, they can't fly and they don't have magical powers. Hopefully someday the parents in this country will come back down to earth and realize teachers can really only accomplish a fraction of what they expect them to do. They should also realize that they (the parents) shouldn't be outraged when these teachers don't live up to their ridiculous expectations.

I already know your response, it's predictable and stale as a month old package of saltines.
 

crt1530

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Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: crt1530
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: OVERKILL
I can't believe the amount of people here who think it's ok to be a "teacher" and do drugs. It's not important if it degrades your brain or not.

What is important is this "teacher" admits doing drugs and being a "teacher", has a responsibility, whether they like it or not of being a "role model for kids".



Bottom line: Teacher who does illegal drugs teaches our kids. Would you want that kind of role model for your kids? If you have kids.

Clearly this teacher is in the wrong profession.
I hate to have to bring this up again, but what about a teacher who drinks? No, it's not illegal, but would you rather an alcoholic teach your kids or a pot-smoker teach your kids?
Neither. Teachers should be role models for children.

A teacher couldstill be a great role model if they didn't get caught.
Fixed.

If nobody knows about a teacher smoking pot on their personal time, I agree, smoking pot does not, in and of itself preclude a teacher from being a positive role model. However, I'll reiterate that I wouldn't want this particular guy teaching my kids because he's an imbecile.