Teacher bangs student, gets 6 to 15 years

[doubledeluxe]

Did she have a long rap sheet? They threw the book at her

 

[NesuD]

The Judge gave her exactly what a man in indentical circumstances gets here. Simple as that. The law is no secret. She knew exactly what she was doing and what the risks were. She didn't care about anyone but herself and now she will pay. That's the law here if you don't like it you don't have to live here. There are 49 other states you can try but I think the law is pretty much the same in the other states as well. Her tough luck to get a woman judge instead of some old man that would feel sorry for her.

 

[Printer Bandit]

You would think she murdered the kid's dick.

 

[NesuD]

You would think she murdered the kid's dick.

Not saying the punishment fits the crime just that that is what the law stipulates and what men have been getting for years for similar crimes. It's equality my friend. Equality works both ways. Equal treatment under the law means taking the bad along with the good.

 

[dphantom]

Not saying the punishment fits the crime just that that is what the law stipulates and what men have been getting for years for similar crimes. It's equality my friend. Equality works both ways. Equal treatment under the law means taking the bad along with the good.

+1

 

[amdhunter]

and

i would

I would pay extra to have my sons taught by this woman.

We should march down the streets to get this woman teaching again ASAP. Police shooting minorities for fun is nothing against the real crime of putting this woman in jail.

 

[Thump553]

Meanwhile here in CT a former governor was just sentenced to 2 1/2 years for five felony convictions of election law fraud-and it is his second felony conviction in a decade-and this was universally viewed as throwing the book at him.

In this situation if she killed the kid in a DUI she'd get one-third the sentence. And where in the US do men get sentenced to 15 years for the same crime? So-called equal treatment not found.

 

[Genx87]

She will serve 3 years tops is my guess.

 

[Insomniator]

So a woman is going to jail for 6-15 years, while the 'victim' becomes the most popular guy in school. OK.

 

[FelixDeCat]

lol

 

[ch33zw1z]

lol @ people who don't know what a pedophile is.

 

[Bob the Coder]

You'd think the steady parade of news stories would give her a clue.

Teachers who are willing to have sex with their students aren't exactly of sound mind to begin with. Pedo's get the slammer day in and day out, but we still have more pedo's. Many teachers who have sex with their students do so out of some need to have their youth and attractiveness validated, and because they're emotionally stunted. This chick is hot. She could have gone to any bar, grocery store, or country club and taken her pick. Nope, gotta have the 15 year old boy.

Oh and Detroit.

 

[PokerGuy]

On the one hand this twit is an idiot. You'd think the steady parade of news stories would give her a clue. On the other hand putting someone away for 15 years of their life for consensual sex seems over the top to me. But that's 'murica in the 21st century.

Consensual you say? No such thing, the kid was 15, by definition it could not have been consensual.

The comments by the judge were spot on: had this been a male teacher everyone would be out for blood, but since it's a female teacher people want to apply some different standard. The law should work the same for everyone.

 

[PokerGuy]

So a woman is going to jail for 6-15 years, while the 'victim' becomes the most popular guy in school. OK.

So, what if the kid was 12. What about 11? 10? You have to draw a line somewhere, and the law is very clear on where Michigan chose to draw that line. She deserves to be punished the same as any other rapist, because that's what she is.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Here we go with the what if's....lol.

Insomniator has a valid point. At 15, my spanish teacher wouldn't have had to "rape" me either. I'd have gladly lost my virginity to that fine piece.

 

[Bob the Coder]

You would think she murdered the kid's dick.

Just out of curiosity, at what age do you think it becomes fucked up and prison-worthy? 16? 15? 12? If a 6th grade teacher has sex with one of her students, do we still just pat him on the back and go "aww shucks it's just sex u prudes she hot"?

It's become fashionable to act rather blase about sex, largely due to somewhat medievel sex laws on the books, hyper-restrictive content on the public airwaves, etc. But at some point, it's okay to call a spade a spade. The laws are quite clear on statutory rape, and were it your daughter in the same situation with her male teacher, you'd be singing a very different tune. If you want to talk about there needing to be different statutory rape laws for males and females, then have that discussion. I'll readily admit that I feel differently about a male teacher having sex with a female student, but I also recognize it's simple gender bias with no real rational backing other than "I would have loved to have fucked my English teacher in the 11th grade".

For me, 15 years old is squarely in the "fucked up gross" territory. 17 years old... meh, doesn't bother me. At some point you've breached an otherwise inconsequential numeric formality. At that point, it's simply just a matter of an authority figure potentially abusing their position, and/or the nature of the relationship interfering with the students' ability/right to earn an education. I do have rather strong feelings on that front.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well put, Mr. Coder.

 

[Bob the Coder]

My 8th grade English teacher was actually notorious for hitting on the boys... all of us... any of us. It was nasty. Rumor was one dude did the deed, but he wouldn't cop to it later.

 

[PliotronX]

That boy is going to be just fine. I like how he can't make his mind up whether he will "have issues in four years." I guess scapegoating her as a deterrent for other sexy female teachers is acceptable but it really is different when a man rapes a girl. That boy will not be mentally scarred like a girl would be and boys cannot get pregnant. At worst contraction of the herp but yeah, the punishment should fit the crime and if the victim is not harmed it does not make sense to throw the book at them.

 

[DigDog]

seriously now.

i would understand if she were fired. (all the kids talking n making fun of her, and it undermines the authoretah of the teaching body)

i would understand if she was sent to couseling because well, she could get men of her own age. counseling which would easily re-instate her as a teacher.

but i dont see the criminal damage here. there's no tearful young girl left shattered by the abuse to an older predator; there's a young WINNER getting high fives from the whole school.

consensual acts should pretty much be legal across the board. generally, if someone says "could someone PLEASE commit this crime on me", you know you got the law wrong.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My 8th grade English teacher was actually notorious for hitting on the boys... all of us... any of us. It was nasty. Rumor was one dude did the deed, but he wouldn't cop to it later.

He didn't want to ruin a good thing

Kiss and tell == no more kisses.

 

[Bob the Coder]

Sorry, just getting around to reading the actual article. A few gems:

I'm so sorry for my husband

Oh snap

With treatment, I'm getting better. I know I have to go away but this is a lifelong journey, and I am meeting it.

I see what you did there

If the case involved a male teacher and a 15-year-old girl "there would be people here hanging from the ceiling trying to get every drop of blood, ... But because it is a woman, there seems to be a winking about what happened." Grant said.

This judge gets it. She's not applying the law based on emotion and personal experiences like many judges do. She's applying it evenly, fairly, and as prescribed. While I severely doubt this judgement (or a string of similar judgements) will act as a deterrent, she's dishing out a much needed dose of gender equality.

"You don't know what you did to him, and he may not realize it for years to come," Grant told Ronk. "Fifteen is 15. He's still a boy figuring out the ways in the world."

Bingo. This is why adults aren't allowed to have sex with minors. Neither are equipped to ascertain the minor's ability to process the situation and exercise sound judgement.

 

[SunnyD]

Just out of curiosity, at what age do you think it becomes fucked up and prison-worthy? 16? 15? 12? If a 6th grade teacher has sex with one of her students, do we still just pat him on the back and go "aww shucks it's just sex u prudes she hot"?

It's become fashionable to act rather blase about sex, largely due to somewhat medievel sex laws on the books, hyper-restrictive content on the public airwaves, etc. But at some point, it's okay to call a spade a spade. The laws are quite clear on statutory rape, and were it your daughter in the same situation with her male teacher, you'd be singing a very different tune. If you want to talk about there needing to be different statutory rape laws for males and females, then have that discussion. I'll readily admit that I feel differently about a male teacher having sex with a female student, but I also recognize it's simple gender bias with no real rational backing other than "I would have loved to have fucked my English teacher in the 11th grade".

For me, 15 years old is squarely in the "fucked up gross" territory. 17 years old... meh, doesn't bother me. At some point you've breached an otherwise inconsequential numeric formality. At that point, it's simply just a matter of an authority figure potentially abusing their position, and/or the nature of the relationship interfering with the students' ability/right to earn an education. I do have rather strong feelings on that front.

Morality: A completely arbitrary construct that differs from individual to individual which becomes generally agreed upon by consensus via social, political or religious constraints.

Here's a little tidbit for you: The age of peak sexual maturity for human males is generally between 14-25. The age of peak sexual maturity for human females is generally between 20-35. Taking out the arbitrary moral constructs, mother nature is telling us that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this case. It's only when we apply our human social constructs to the situation that people go "Whoa, that's fucked up!"

 

[Bob the Coder]

but i dont see the criminal damage here. there's no tearful young girl left shattered by the abuse to an older predator; there's a young WINNER getting high fives from the whole school.

(The judge) said the boy, who is now a sophomore, wrote that he "might be fine in four years" and "might have issues in four years."

You weren't there, you aren't a psychiatrist, you aren't in his head, you don't know if he held back in that letter or if his parents pushed him to write it. In any case, you are wholly unqualified to ascertain criminal damage. Adults aren't allowed to have sex with minors. Period. There are very clear punishments for those who do. We don't get to choose willy nilly who goes to jail and who gets a pass based on whether we think we would have enjoyed being in a victim's shoes.

 

[Bob the Coder]

Morality: A completely arbitrary construct that differs from individual to individual which becomes generally agreed upon by consensus via social, political or religious constraints.

Here's a little tidbit for you: The age of peak sexual maturity for human males is generally between 14-25. The age of peak sexual maturity for human females is generally between 20-35. Taking out the arbitrary moral constructs, mother nature is telling us that there is absolutely nothing wrong with this case. It's only when we apply our human social constructs to the situation that people go "Whoa, that's fucked up!"

A tidbit for you: sexual maturity != mental maturity. You've also conveniently sidestepped the abuse of power issue. And to extend your morality argument, we could do away with most of our laws if we apply that logic whenever we find it convenient. On a theoretical level, I agree with you. But that's all it is: theoretical. Unfortunately, we live in a complex reality. Welcome to it.