Tea Party-backed NY Gubenatorial candidate wants to house poor people in...(drumroll)

her209

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JAIL.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100821/ap_on_el_gu/us_paladino_welfare

NY candidate: Prison dorms for welfare recipients
AP

By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer Beth Fouhy, Associated Press Writer – Sat Aug 21, 5:19 pm ET

NEW YORK – Republican candidate for governor Carl Paladino said he would transform some New York prisons into dormitories for welfare recipients, where they could work in state-sponsored jobs, get employment training and take lessons in "personal hygiene."

Paladino, a wealthy Buffalo real estate developer popular with many tea party activists, isn't saying the state should jail poor people: The program would be voluntary.

But the suggestion that poor families would be better off in remote institutions, rather than among friends and family in their own neighborhoods, struck some anti-poverty activists as insulting.

Paladino is competing for the Republican nomination with former U.S. Rep. Rick Lazio. The primary is Sept. 14.

Paladino first described the idea in June at a meeting of The Journal News of White Plains and spoke about it again this week with The Associated Press.

Throughout his campaign, Paladino has criticized New York's rich menu of social service benefits, which he says encourages illegal immigrants and needy people to live in the state. He has promised a 20 percent reduction in the state budget and a 10 percent income tax cut if elected.

Asked at the meeting how he would achieve those savings, Paladino laid out several plans that included converting underused state prisons into centers that would house welfare recipients. There, they would do work for the state — "military service, in some cases park service, in other cases public works service," he said — while prison guards would be retrained to work as counselors.

"Instead of handing out the welfare checks, we'll teach people how to earn their check. We'll teach them personal hygiene ... the personal things they don't get when they come from dysfunctional homes," Paladino said.

New York, like other states, receives a federal block grant to provide cash and other forms of welfare to very low-income residents. Federal law already requires welfare recipients to do some form of work to receive benefits.

New York's welfare rolls have grown slightly during the recession, while food stamp eligibility has almost doubled, according to the state.

Paladino told The Associated Press the dormitory living would be voluntary, not mandatory, and would give welfare recipients an opportunity to take public, state-sponsored jobs far from home.

"These are beautiful properties with basketball courts, bathroom facilities, toilet facilities. Many young people would love to get the hell out of cities," Paladino he said.

He also defended his hygiene remarks, saying he had trained inner-city troops in the Army and knows their needs.

"You have to teach them basic things — taking care of themselves, physical fitness. In their dysfunctional environment, they never learned these things," he said.

Ketny Jean-Francois, a former welfare recipient and a New York City advocate for low-income people, said Paladino's idea shocked her.

"Being poor is not a crime," she said. "People are on welfare for many reasons ... Is he saying people are poor because they don't have any hygiene or any skills?"

A Lazio spokesman didn't immediately return a message.

Paladino said he based his ideas on the Civilian Conservation Corps, a federal program that paid young unemployed men during the Great Depression to plant trees, build roads and develop parks.

Paladino said he would open the program both to long-term welfare recipients and to people who had lost their jobs during the recession. He said that he didn't know how he would pay for it but that prisons could be consolidated to make room.

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Associated Press writer Marc Beja contributed to this report.
He forgot to mention the weight equipment. Oh, and the cafeteria with full kitchen.

:D
 

Infohawk

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The prisons sound like a bad idea but I've always hated the way people act like they have a right to stay in a city even if they can't afford to live there, especially when housing is provided by the state. Many middle-class people have to choose cheaper places to live, housing poor people in rural areas makes sense to me.
 

spidey07

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Pretty good idea actually. Stealing my money is a crime. It could even give them the tools/training to become productive members of society. Hunger is a hell of a motivator to make somebody want to work.
 

sandorski

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There was a Movie or Episode in some TV series(Stargate or perhaps Sliders or Quantum Leap) where this was the norm. Perhaps Dude thought it was a Documentary?
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'll probably vote for this guy. :p

Ive worked in a lot of places but have never seen the entitlement mentality as bad as it's in NY. Hell, they can't raise our taxes (already highest in the nation) fast enough to keep up with the program. They're taking funds which by law are dedicated to education to pay for it and it's STILL not enough.
 

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It doesn't feel good, but it's a realistic and probably effective way of breaking the "cycle of poverty" that liberals seem to be the champions of defeating.

Not much different from joining the Army, minus the fighting. Ship you off to a place free of distractions, with everything you need to live, and teach you the skills you need to be successful.

But like I said, since it doesn't feel good, liberals will oppose it.
 

Throckmorton

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Great idea. And when Obama finally puts all the Republicans into FEMA camps, we'll finally have a nice country again.
 

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LOL. Agree or not this is a terrible thing for his campaign to be associated with. He will be lambasted in media now. In many cases the idea probably isn't bad, but it won't fly.
 
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Making them work on public projects sounds like a Democratic idea.

These are jobs that need to be performed for society to work, to enforce them by not hiring but paying the lowest amount to slaves sounds like a conservative idea.

Funny thing, Labour had an idea like that but it was shot down as Blair had to leave and not only did he have to leave the political arena, he was a shame to the entire EU after his long hot summer nights arsefucked by GW so he had to leave everything.

This idea sounds kinda like just that, force workers to do the job for less wages..
 
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LOL. Agree or not this is a terrible thing for his campaign to be associated with. He will be lambasted in media now. In many cases the idea probably isn't bad, but it won't fly.

It's bad, if you can't see why it's a horrible idea, i feel sorry for you.
 
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Add drafting all the Dems and sending them to Afghanistan and i'm on board

Son of a ... well i guess it's better than the wimpy republicans...

You will need all of the paid officers of Israels IDF to do the basic training though because there are not enough to handle the basic training as is today.

It's not like when you and i first joined up Haya, this new bullsheit is just that, crap in --- crap out.
 

StageLeft

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I can't possibly imagine positives of people trying to do something they are not educated to do at all.


I'm sorry but i just can't.
I thought we were talking about welfare recipients being thrown into prisons basically and told to do menial tasks. I haven't been paying a ton of attention, though.
 
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I thought we were talking about welfare recipients being thrown into prisons basically and told to do menial tasks. I haven't been paying a ton of attention, though.

Read the article, the proposal contains forcing people into military positions, law enforcing positions and guard positions.

The very least you can do before responding is to know what the subject is about, in this case the entire article was presented in the OP so you should at least read that before responding and especially if you think you might be mistaken since my reply didn't seem to jive with what you "thought".

Perhaps i shouldn't be so cocky though, i've done that myself. but still, read the article.. ;)

Edit: There, they would do work for the state — "military service, in some cases park service, in other cases public works service," he said — while prison guards would be retrained to work as counselors.


So you won't have to read all through it.
 
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StageLeft

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Thanks. I actually read the article like three times but only a few lines at a time. Damn this late night ADD I was unable to sit and read the entire thing start to finish.