TCCD Memory Chips Being Discontinued!

[Koyanisquatsi]

I know it's not exactly the most reliable source but check this out.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21168

 

[CheesePoofs]

I seriously doubt thats gunna happen. they are saying that people will switch to DDRII because TCCD is discontinued. I know i wouldn't, 2-3-2 DDR1 is still faster and cheaper than DDRII.

 

[Zebo]

Sounds like BS. I mean even the way story was written sounds like fiction.

 

[ddviper]

nah not gunna happen, too much money is made on those chips to just discontinued

 

[ryderOCZ]

Samsung has ceased manufacturing TCCD, the story is correct.

 

[gobucks]

well, at least we still have the micron chips that Crucial uses for their Ballistix line - i guess other companies are gonna have to switch over to these soon. That's actually good news for A64 owners, cause apparently they seem to clock higher on the athlon platform - I can't say i disagree, since I have mine at PC4400 speeds, and i'm not sure if it can go higher or not (I can't run stable at 280FSB, but that could be HTT speed, CPU speed, memory speed, or whatever) but I'm perfectly content with a 700MHz overclock on my 3000+.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: gobucks
well, at least we still have the micron chips that Crucial uses for their Ballistix line - i guess other companies are gonna have to switch over to these soon. That's actually good news for A64 owners, cause apparently they seem to clock higher on the athlon platform - I can't say i disagree, since I have mine at PC4400 speeds, and i'm not sure if it can go higher or not (I can't run stable at 280FSB, but that could be HTT speed, CPU speed, memory speed, or whatever) but I'm perfectly content with a 700MHz overclock on my 3000+.

Try a memory divider, you won't notice the performance "loss."

 

[miketheidiot]

all good things must end.

 

[Ackbar]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
all good things must end.

Well, all of us that have TCCD should be happy! :thumbsup:

If you don't have a pair, go out and grab some! :beer:

 

[Avalon]

Well, there will still be Micron chips in the form of the Ballistix memory, and "Winbond" UT chips in the form of OCZ VX modules...at least for now.

 

[Zebo]

Somebady email nate and tell him how clueless he is:

This would be a devastating blow to the overclocking/enthusiast community as these are currently the only IC's that can hit low latency timings of 2-2-2-5 for DDR1 memory.

Uh ballistix all day long. How bout VX?

http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=161

 

[voodoo1694]

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[ironique]

Would love to see the day when they get DDRII dimms running at those lovely low TCCD latencies.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ
Samsung has ceased manufacturing TCCD, the story is correct.

Well, yes. But from reading a broader range of stories on this issue, it looks like this is only temporary, until Samsung gets its excess inventory cleared out.

 

[gobucks]

ironique, I don't think DDRII will ever be that low, because they added extra steps into the process in order to give better frequency headroom. I forget the details, but I think they use a 4-bit prefetch instead of 2 or something, and this makes CAS2 impossible from what I've heard.

MDE, I don't really want to run a divider because my divider options blow. I only have a 5/6, 2/3, and 1/2 divider, and I don't really like those options. As for the memory, I think it can run higher - Anandtech has managed to squeeze like DDR594 out of the PC3200 modules, but I think my Vcore or mobo stability is limiting things. I might end up playing around with them and trying to go higher, but right now I'm content. Besides, right now I'm fine on stock cooling, but if i were to venture into 2.6-2.7GHz territory, I'd probably shell out for a Zalman 7700AlCu or something, so I'd rather save $40.

 

[Avalon]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: ryderOCZ
Samsung has ceased manufacturing TCCD, the story is correct.

Well, yes. But from reading a broader range of stories on this issue, it looks like this is only temporary, until Samsung gets its excess inventory cleared out.

Maybe this will lead to the rumored price slashing of memory this summer.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: gobucks
ironique, I don't think DDRII will ever be that low, because they added extra steps into the process in order to give better frequency headroom. I forget the details, but I think they use a 4-bit prefetch instead of 2 or something, and this makes CAS2 impossible from what I've heard.

MDE, I don't really want to run a divider because my divider options blow. I only have a 5/6, 2/3, and 1/2 divider, and I don't really like those options. As for the memory, I think it can run higher - Anandtech has managed to squeeze like DDR594 out of the PC3200 modules, but I think my Vcore or mobo stability is limiting things. I might end up playing around with them and trying to go higher, but right now I'm content. Besides, right now I'm fine on stock cooling, but if i were to venture into 2.6-2.7GHz territory, I'd probably shell out for a Zalman 7700AlCu or something, so I'd rather save $40.

Try the divider, it can't hurt any. If you're lucky you can get your CPU up higher, worst case is you just put it back the way it was.

 

[gobucks]

i understand, I could run a divider if i wanted to, but the fact is I wouldn't want to risk running my CPU any faster without buying an aftermarket cooler, so what would i accomplish by running a divider? My memory woud be slower and extra latency would make things slower in general. If i were being limited by memory, i'd run a divider, but it's likely that memory is not the limiter. Besides, the farthest i could get was 275 before, the i upped my vcore to 1.425, and now i got to 278, so my guess is that's the limiter. Maybe I'll up the Vcore and try a few more MHz, but I don't know if there is much of a point making my chip run hot for an extra 50MHz or so.

Anyways, I'm not afraid to run a divider, I was running them with my corsair value ram before i returned it, but the reason i got crucial ballistix was because i didn't want to have to run a divider. With my divider options, in order to get back to DDR400 speeds with a 2/3 divider, I'd have to up my FSB to 300MHz and the CPU to 2.7GHz, which i'm not comfortable doing with my current cooling. There are no 3/4 or 4/5 dividers, so that's out of the question.

 

[imported_Soldier]

The part your missing is where lower speed and tighter timings on the memory yeilds better performance than higher speed and the loose timings your running...556 @ 10-4-4-3 2T on an A64 is just plain ugly...500 @ 7-3-3-2.5 1T will blow you out of the water

 

[CheesePoofs]

I agree with Soldier. Running the memory at 2T kills performance, it would be much faster to run at a lower speed and 1T.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I ran benchmarks for the following two settings a few weeks ago. Because of the 245 1T limit on my A8N, I wanted to see which way was best to run my ram


281 x 9 = 2528mhz with ram 230mhz(DDR460) 2-3-3-5 1T

287 x 9 = 2583mhz with ram 287mhz(DDR574) 3-4-4-10 2T


The first setting won all benchmarks by a 3-5% margin including Sandra memory bandwidth. In my case 55mhz of CPU increase and a 57mhz ram speed increase could not offset the hit from the 2T and the loose timings

I saw another post where a guy tested the effect of 1T vs 2T much more extensively with the same CPU settings. And he found that he had to push ram to about DDR600 300mhz 2T to overtake DDR400mhz stock settings @ 2-2-2-5 1T

 

[ironique]

Originally posted by: gobucks
ironique, I don't think DDRII will ever be that low, because they added extra steps into the process in order to give better frequency headroom. I forget the details, but I think they use a 4-bit prefetch instead of 2 or something, and this makes CAS2 impossible from what I've heard.

:-( Sad to know. How do they plan to improve DDRII memory? Ramp up the speeds? Or will they adopt the "more work per clock cycle" dual core CPU philosophy, and develope something like QDR???

 

[richardrds]

Originally posted by: gobucks
MDE, I don't really want to run a divider because my divider options blow. I only have a 5/6, 2/3, and 1/2 divider, and I don't really like those options.

You could download A64Tweaker. This utility lets you change your ram bios options on the fly from windows and it gives you access to divider options that may not be listed in your bios. With A64Tweaker you can set your Mem Divider to 150 which yields a 3/4 (150/200) divider. My AV8 mobo/bios does not have a 3/4 Ram divider option, but I was able to set that ratio with A64Tweaker and i used CPU-Z to verify it worked on the fly as advertised.

 

[imported_doc007]

Tweaker link please? I'm having trouble finding it through Google.

 

[jpeyton]

I have some PDP XBL already. Get your GSkill LE or LA now before the prices jump 25-35%.