Tbreds running at 2.6-2.7Ghz??

[ST4RCUTTER]

To say I'm skeptical would be putting it mildly. I just don't see how a processor with such a short pipe would be able to scale that high.

It did get my attention though...


Fast Tbreds?

 

[j@cko]

wow..... if that can be done with ease, then Tbred sure will recapture the performance crown.

 

[Duvie]

the .13 micron could give it a bit of a future, but am also skeptical....

1.8ghz (athlon 2200+) doing 2.6 ghz (~3400+)...I doubt it seriously....

I think it was likely misreported and it more reasonably could have been doing 2600+ or 2700+ in amd rating scheme...which would be like 2,066mhz and 2,133mhz...more reasonable I think...


At 2700+ let alone if it came out now it would spank anything out there for the p4 at stock...It would be a helluva a chip...

 

[MadRat]

Probably it was more like a 2600+ to 2700+ rating when overclocked rather than true MHz.

 

[Bozo Galora]

a t-bred running at 2.7 would sure shake up the MHZ race, you can bet on that!

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Yeah, it looks like they're going to be 2600+ and 2700+


Check out this German site. Already getting ready for 2500+! The Tbreds should be rolling out pretty soon...

Damn Germans

 

[Baronz]

I wonder how much it will be overclockable, hopefully more than the XPs.

 

[Adul]

the german site has a PDF that read there will be 384k of cache. I some how think the meant to say 256, or maybe they confused L1 and L2 together. dunno

 

[Bozo Galora]

$642DM (2GIG) = $306 USD = not bad

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

the german site has a PDF that read there will be 384k of cache. I some how think the meant to say 256, or maybe they confused L1 and L2 together. dunno

That's an accurate statement. If they had said 384k of L2 then it would be wrong. The L1 consists is 2-way associative, so that data is not duplicated. This means that AMD can claim 384k full speed, on-chip cache.

 

[BD231]

Well, if somehow AMD was able to drop temps like they did when they replaced the T-Bird, I still couldn't see it happening. From what I've read, we wont be seeing anything close to the 30% drop we saw last time. But, surprises are not uncommon in the computer market. This could be why it's taking so long for the T-Bred's to get here, but in all odds it's very unlikely.

 

[Rand]

That's an accurate statement. If they had said 384k of L2 then it would be wrong. The L1 consists is 2-way associative, so that data is not duplicated. This means that AMD can claim 384k full speed, on-chip cache.

How does the set associativity of the L1 cache have anything to do with whether the data from the L1 cache is duplicated in the L2 cache?
The L2 cache is exclusive on the K7 core, and remains so irregardless of the set associativity of either cache blocks.
Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your saying?

Either way though, 384KB is correct though.

I'm assuming Gigabyte was referring to 2600/2700+ and not actual clockspeeds. I cannot imagine even a specially hand picked .13u AXP clocking that high so early on a simple dumb shrink of the .18u core on a relatively untweaked and base .13u process.

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Sorry, I meant exclusive...not associative.

And irregardless is not a word.

 

[bigboxes]

And irregardless is not a word.

I'll let Webster's settle that.

Main Entry: ir·re·gard·less
Pronunciation: "ir-i-'gärd-l&s
Function: adverb
Etymology: probably blend of irrespective and regardless
Date: circa 1912
nonstandard : REGARDLESS
usage Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that "there is no such word." There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Irregardless is considered nonstandard because it is redundant. Once the negative idea is expressed by the -less ending, it is excessive to add the negative ir- prefix to express the same. Repetitive errors, either in print or spoken word do not make this acceptable. By that logic any vernacular such as ain't, phat, ghetto-fabulous etc...could make it's way into the standard English dictionary.

 

[ObiDon]

"Inflammable means flammable?!?"

 

[PowerMacG5]

Originally posted by: ObiDon
"Inflammable means flammable?!?"

No, what ST4CUTTER is saying is that when a word has the -less ending added onto it, it is a negative. Then when one adds the prefix ir- it becomes a double negative, which makes it a positive (simple logic).

 

[Pariah]

"Then when one adds the prefix ir- it becomes a double negative, which makes it a positive"

That's true, but irregardless is an exception. It's wrong going by English standards, but it is still a real word.

 

[CrazySaint]

It may be a real word, but even Webster's recommended that you not use it. It also makes you look less intelligent (not in any way saying that the person(s) who used that word in this thread aren't intelligent, I certainly make my own fair share of grammatical and spelling errors).

 

[Rand]

Regardless/Irregardless, either way people know what I meant.
And it's in the dictionary so I'd classify it as a word, irregardless of whether it makes sense or not

 

[Sohcan]

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Originally posted by: ObiDon
"Inflammable means flammable?!?"
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No, what ST4CUTTER is saying is that when a word has the -less ending added onto it, it is a negative. Then when one adds the prefix ir- it becomes a double negative, which makes it a positive (simple logic).

I think ObiDon was quoting The Simpsons (Dr. Riviera IIRC).

 

[bigboxes]

English is a living language that is in a constant state of flux. Although I would not use many words in a formal setting, the common use of such words changes the language even against my protest. This was quite funny and provided me a needed break from the seriousness of the day.

On topic, thanks for the link ST4RCUTTER. It is with a skeptical eye that I will await such prophetic claims for the t-bred. Most likely, we will see a better horse race from the upcoming hammer chip.

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint
It may be a real word, but even Webster's recommended that you not use it. It also makes you look less intelligent (not in any way saying that the person(s) who used that word in this thread aren't intelligent, I certainly make my own fair share of grammatical and spelling errors).

The sad thing is that I've always excelled in english and I use said word nonetheless.
Of course it's unlikely that most people pay much attention to grammar on a forum such a this.
Personally, I don't mind grammatical errors; spelling errors tend to irritate me however.

Just for you ST4RCUTTER, I shall attempt to refrain from using "irregardless" in the future.

 

[Duvie]

ANYHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! English lessons in off-topic...


I have still yet to see a real hard number of vcore....Unless we see an entry level 1.5v like the northwood I think overclocking may be better then xp but not northwood like. I think the 2200+ to 2600+ may be possible, but likely not the norm. Rumors I have seen show a 1.65-1.6v vcore and a smaller sq mm core contact size. I am thinking this may hamper super overclocks.

Will l1 bridge cut be much like the xp???

 

[randomlinh]

how the hell did a 2.6-2.7ghz tbred thred turn into a lesson in english..