TBREAK Reviews Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 PRO

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14,322 marks in 3DMark2001 (This bench IS getting old) - 500 below the Creative Card (but this isn't a finished card).

And still well over 10,000 @ 1600x1200@32!
 

WyteWatt

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Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end? Just wondering because i know new drivers just came out. Also whats with them saying "Although the ANISO16 provides higher sharpness and lower performance hit than the ANISO8 on the GF4Ti, the second looks better." The second? Does that mean they are saying the GF4 ti ANISO8 looks better than the ANISO16 on the the ATI 9700 pro? Confused. Strange how they are saying all of this stuff.

 

WyteWatt

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Anyone? i didn't say it the review did so thats why i am asking if this is a trusting review site on what they say?

 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: imtim83
Anyone? i didn't say it the review did so thats why i am asking if this is a trusting review site on what they say?

You mean the AGP 8X compatibility? Some people have problems with it... some don't. But the ones that do RMAd their card to ATI and they got back rev 1.3 i believe... and more often than not it works.

 

WyteWatt

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No.

*I mean in the TBREAK Review.*

Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end? Just wondering because i know new drivers just came out. Also whats with them saying "Although the ANISO16 provides higher sharpness and lower performance hit than the ANISO8 on the GF4Ti, the second looks better." The second? Does that mean they are saying the GF4 ti ANISO8 looks better than the ANISO16 on the the ATI 9700 pro? Confused. Strange how they are saying all of this stuff.
 

oldfart

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Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end?
What problems are those? Just wondering since as usual, I have no idea what you are talking about.

"The end" of the TBreak article:
SUMMARY
The Hercules Radeon 9700 PRO is looking very good- especially with the Copper heatsink. We cant wait to overclock this card and we're sure that it wont disappoint us. Gigabyte Radeon 9700 card owners have complained about the noise level, however, the fan on this card was very silent. Hercules also does good by including a full blown version of Morrowind. The only thing that we dont like is that the suggested retail price of this card is a bit higher than other Radeon 9700 cards- however, quality does cost a little extra.

We should hopefully have a full blown review for you guys sometimes next week with the updated drivers and we'll look into the AGP 8X issue again as well. Keep tuned as we might be recieving the Gigabyte Radeon 9700 pretty soon as well.
 

bluemax

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Originally posted by: imtim83
No.

*I mean in the TBREAK Review.*

Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end? Just wondering because i know new drivers just came out. Also whats with them saying "Although the ANISO16 provides higher sharpness and lower performance hit than the ANISO8 on the GF4Ti, the second looks better." The second? Does that mean they are saying the GF4 ti ANISO8 looks better than the ANISO16 on the the ATI 9700 pro? Confused. Strange how they are saying all of this stuff.

Funny, all I see is:
"The Hercules Radeon 9700 PRO is looking very good- especially with the Copper heatsink. We cant wait to overclock this card and we're sure that it wont disappoint us. Gigabyte Radeon 9700 card owners have complained about the noise level, however, the fan on this card was very silent. Hercules also does good by including a full blown version of Morrowind. The only thing that we dont like is that the suggested retail price of this card is a bit higher than other Radeon 9700 cards- however, quality does cost a little extra.

We should hopefully have a full blown review for you guys sometimes next week with the updated drivers and we'll look into the AGP 8X issue again as well. Keep tuned as we might be recieving the Gigabyte Radeon 9700 pretty soon as well."

Where do they mention all these problems?
 

boyRacer

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The only problem of the 9700 i saw in that article was the AGP 8X issue... i hope i'm not going blind or anything...



We've been hearing quite a bit about the AGP 8X dilemma of the Radeon 9700 and wanted to show you our findings. The motherboard we've used for testing is the ASUS P4S8X based on the SiS 648 chipset supporting 8X AGP. The board has an option in the BIOS to switch between 4X and 8X modes, however, selecting either of those produced absolutely no difference in benchmarks.

We also used the latest SiS 1.11 AGP driver which helps resolve some problems that people may have with compatibility/stability. Using the older driver, Powerstrip reported the Radeon 9700 running at AGP 4X, while the ATI control panel reported it at AGP1X. However, when we upgraded the driver to v1.11, Powerstip reported AGP speed at 8X while the ATI control panel continued to show 1X.

We did experience some instability with the SiS 1.11 drivers running at AGP 8X. The card crashed a couple of times at 3D Mark- however, everything else seemed to work out good. Hopefully, the new drivers will fix this.
 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: imtim83
I was talking about this review.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/hercules-r9700.html

Ahhh... ok... well i think what they meant was IQ on the GF4 was still better even at ANISO8... i've never seen either one back to back so i can't say anything about that. Drivers are getting better... they just released new drivers just for the 9700 alone.

As for that problem at the end of the article... it was still about AGP 8X... :confused: some have problems... some don't... if you were to get a 9700 now... try to get the latest revision.... seems to have cured what the first revision was having problems with.
 

Mavrick007

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What's with Creative releasing an ATI card now?? They were just doing Nvidia cards and have a new card supposedly coming out under their 3dlabs company, so when did they jump on ATI's wagon? Weird.. they must smell money there heh.
 

WyteWatt

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I know i am talking about a total different review but are these problems of the ATI 9700 pro true and are they saying that the GF4 ti 4600 8x AF looks better than ATI 9700 16x AF ? Confused. Also is this a trusted site ?

The anisotropy quality is improved. There are no more stripes around in the open. But RIP mapping is RIP mapping... First of all, if the floor is not even and it has a relief made of polygons, some of them will differ from the others in the way the textures are turned - and this is very noticeable. Secondly, in the 3DMark2001 in the fillrate tests with anisotropy there are two jerks in the beginning (lasting half a second). It's evidently connected with generation of RIP mapping. Although the ANISO16 provides higher sharpness and lower performance hit than the ANISO8 on the GF4Ti, the second looks better.
By the way, I came across one more unpleasant drawback, probably caused by the RIP mapping. In the Morrowind the game hangs up when some monsters get onto the scene or approach at a certain distance. After rebooting the Windows XP complains about the video driver. It seems that when the driver gets new textures and starts generating new RIP maps, the game doesn't understand such a delay. That is why a personage of the 61 level looks quite ridiculous when he escapes from Kagouti like from the Gorgon Medusa... Because when you see it you can "turn into stone". Although the problem can be solved by disabling the anisotropy, I don't feel like playing without it or constantly saving the game and reswitching.

Driver quality. Buggy. There is something wrong with fog - sometimes it's much lighter than it should be, especially in the UT/OpenGL. The same was noticed in the Morrowind. On the west coast when the sun declines into the sea, there is haze hanging over the water. The haze blinks. No other flaws are noticed, which is excellent for the first release.

Dual-monitor support and TV-Out. On loading, the images proceed to both outputs irrespective of settings. In the games the TV quality is far from being perfect - in the UT the fog gets banding artefacts, it seems that it's 16 bpp. But it can be caused by problems with fog in the drivers. The geometry looks better on the desktop monitor than on the GF4Ti/Philips 7108, but there are shadows of bright color spots to some reason. That is possibly a problem of the TV set, but the Philips 7108 didn't had that trouble. Movies can be viewed on the full screen on the second head in the theater mode irrespective of resolution, but in case of the Windows Media Player the image disappears when you minimize it or bring something onto the screen above it (even in the extended overlay mode). The ATI's player doesn't have such a problem. DVD can be played perfectly on TV, the colors are much better than on the Philips 7108. It seems that the integrated encoder can't output an interlace signal as interlaced in its own resolution.

I hope that in our next review on the RADEON 9700 I will look into the problems our readers bring forward. I also hope the experts from ATI will do their best to eliminate all of them.

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/radeon/hercules-r9700.html
 

ElFenix

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that is a good-looking card! i wonder how quiet it is?
 

LikeLinus

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imtim83 - everyone got your question. You don't have to ask the same questions 4 times in one thread out of 10 post. We don't know cause we dont test IQ ATI vs Nvidia. Also, we don't care.
 

oldfart

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9:25 Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end?
10:09 Anyone? i didn't say it the review did so thats why i am asking if this is a trusting review site on what they say?
10:39 Does the ATI 9700 pro really have all those problems that the review says at the end?
1:52I know i am talking about a total different review but are these problems of the ATI 9700 pro true and are they saying that the GF4 ti 4600 8x AF looks better than ATI 9700 16x AF ? Confused. Also is this a trusted site ?

Just wondering why you have to go on and on about ATI 9700? Does anyone know? I would really like to know the answer...anyone? Any help appreciated...please reply...bump




 

oldfart

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Does anyone know what he means? Just wondering...cause I'd really like to know what he means. Dont you? I do. Anyone? Please reply cause I'd really like to know what he means. Just wondering.

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Please reply
 

LikeLinus

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imtim83 you sound like a broken record player playing a song that everyone hates.

If i read another ATI or Nvidia post from you, ritual murder-suicide is my only option.

And to answer your question, no one knows what your babbling about.
 

bluemax

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Gosh darn it! I can't find the stupid planet where the Thraddash are hiding the Aqua Helix!
My lemon is full of trombones.
Good Ol' Hardware's Radeon 9000's are producing fuzzier images than a 3rd rate nVidia TNT2.
Half the world's starving or malnourished, the other half bent on blowing itself to eternal destruction and there you are in the middle of it all worrying about how long your chocky-bar lasts! Whoopee!
There's plutonium peanut butter in my underwear.

Is there no end to Anandtech MADNESS?? :p :p :p