TBD Reviews: Corsair Vengeance K90 keyboard

Mar 10, 2005
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http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-ga...rformance-mmo-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html

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like the simpsons' mycube, it's lit to let you know it's off.

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$130

i was holding out for a new gaming keyboard for a while, and when my shitty razer lycosa mirror developed a broken "E" that was the last straw. i chose the K90, and here are my observations.

appearance

the first impression is pretty good, but the devil is in the details. i like the look of the aluminium top plate with buttons hovering above and lighting the plane. there are 6 different types of button on the keyboard. anything more than 2 is far too many. there are also 6 colors and tones of illumination, the darkest of which is the light button! the macro buttons live on a cheap, ugly peninsula that clashes awfully with the rest of the keyboard. the 2 LEDs beneath the space bar are almost directly visible. keys with 2 symbols on them are lit unevenly from top to bottom. at least the font is good. $130?

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functional design and build quality

there's not much deviation from the standard qwerty layout. the additional buttons are where things go wrong. the (unnecessary) media controls are located behind and 2 cm below the number pad, and the macro buttons are awkwardly 1 cm lower than the rest of the keys. anyone claiming this is a feature that prevents accidental macro firing (anandtech) is an idiot. the volume knob is a knurled roller - not crap, but totally out of place. the spacing between key tops is pretty large, due to a 1 mm gap between keys (for the lights) and a tapered profile.

the aluminium plate gives the keyboard a nice stiffness absent in competing products. the right side has a an edge that makes itself useful for handling the keyboard, but unfortunately the ugly macro peninsula on the left presents a surface that defeats any attempt at grip. i even plucked off a macro button attempting to pick up the keyboard.

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this is, by far, the thickest and stiffest usb cable i have ever seen. for what it's worth, it's all plastic with the bare minimum of electrical conductors. the usb pass-thru seems to work fine.

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my example was unboxed with the Mute button missing, which was fortunately floating around in the newly-opened box. it takes a bit to pop it out of its home, but the box was completely undamaged. this tells me it was never seated properly in the first place.

the keys are painted matte black, which is cheap and destined to wear badly. my example couldn't even leave the factory unscathed. $130?

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the keys

the k90 gets mx cherry reds for the main buttons and number pad, everything else uses plastic membranes except for the volume roller. obviously this decision saves the factory a great deal of money. did i mention this keyboard costs $130?

the mechanical buttons are just ok. the action is smooth, but there is no feedback or detent at all. the stroke is very long, but the switch is activated about 1/4 of way through its travel. there is also very light resistance. as i found out, this adds up to mean it's easy to accidentally press a button while resting your left hand on WASD. i'd describe the amount of wobble as average. most of the sound is produced by bottoming out the keys. the membrane keys are pretty normal and noticeably stiffer than the mechanicals .

hardware and software functionality

what can i say? beyond the most basic capabilities, there isn't much to talk about. even with the latest driver, i have yet to successfully program a macro, and there is no means of programming anything other than the macro buttons. what a massive let-down. i did find 1 quirk - some time after the computer goes to sleep, the keyboard will re-light on its own. when this happens the keyboard is totally non-responsive and cannot wake the computer. $130!

verdict

AVOID. if i had bought it in a brick and mortar store, it would have been returned in 1 day. i'll still send this back to the egg, such is my disappointment. it looks good at first, but its mish-mash of shapes, locations, colors and textures should be laughed out of any engineering or design studio. for gaming it is mediocre at best, and for typing it's absolutely abysmal. it fares better than the crap razer products it competes with (physically, at least) but still nowhere near worth the asking price. nice font, though.
 
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destrekor

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*pics coming later tonight*

http://www.corsair.com/vengeance-ga...rformance-mmo-mechanical-gaming-keyboard.html

$130

i was holding out for a new gaming keyboard for a while, and when my shitty razer lycosa mirror developed a broken "E" that was the last straw. i chose the K90, and here are my observations.

appearance

the first impression is pretty good, but the devil is in the details. i like the look of the aluminium top plate with buttons hovering above and lighting the plane. there are 6 different types of button on the keyboard. anything more than 2 is far too many. there are also 6 colors and tones of illumination, the darkest of which is the light button! the macro buttons live on a cheap, ugly peninsula that clashes awfully with the rest of the keyboard. the 2 LEDs beneath the space bar are almost directly visible. keys with 2 symbols on them are lit unevenly from top to bottom. at least the font is good. $130?

functional design and build quality

there's not much deviation from the standard qwerty layout. the additional buttons are where things go wrong. the (unnecessary) media controls are located behind and 2 cm below the number pad, and the macro buttons are awkwardly 1 cm lower than the rest of the keys. anyone claiming this is a feature that prevents accidental macro firing (anandtech) is an idiot. the volume knob is a knurled roller - not crap, but totally out of place. the spacing between key tops is prett large, due to a 1 mm gap between keys (for the lights) and a tapered profile.

the aluminium plate gives the keyboard a nice stiffness absent in competing products. the right side has a an edge that makes itself useful for handling the keyboard, but unfortunately the ugly macro peninsula on the left presents a surface that defeats any attempt at grip. i even plucked off a macro button attempting to pick up the keyboard.

this is, by far, the thickest and stiffest usb cable i have ever seen. for what it's worth, it's all plastic with the bare minimum of electrical conductors. the usb pass-thru seems to work fine.

my example was unboxed with the Mute button missing, which was fortunately floating around in the newly-opened box. it takes a bit to pop it out of its home, but the box was completely undamaged. this tells me it was never seated properly in the first place.

the keys are painted matte black, which is cheap and destined to wear badly. my example couldn't even leave the factory unscathed. $130?

the keys

the k90 gets mx cherry reds for the main buttons and number pad, everything else uses plastic membranes except for the volume roller. obviously this decision saves the factory a great deal of money. did i mention this keyboard costs $130?

the mechanical buttons are just ok. the action is smooth, but there is no feedback or detent at all. the stroke is very long, but the switch is activated about 1/4 of way through its travel. there is also very light resistance. as i found out, this adds up to mean it's easy to accidentally press a button while resting your left hand on WASD. i'd describe the amount of wobble as average. most of the sound is produced by bottoming out the keys. the membrane keys are pretty normal and noticeably stiffer than the mechanicals .

hardware and software functionality

what can i say? beyond the most basic capabilities, there isn't much to talk about. even with the latest driver, i have yet to successfully program a macro, and there is no means of programming anything other than the macro buttons. what a massive let-down. i did find 1 quirk - some time after the computer goes to sleep, the keyboard will re-light on its own. when this happens the keyboard is totally non-responsive and cannot wake the computer. $130!

verdict

AVOID. if i had bought it in a brick and mortar store, it would have been returned in 1 day. i'll still send this back to the egg, such is my disappointment. it looks good at first, but its mish-mash of shapes, locations, colors and textures should be laughed out of any engineering or design studio. for gaming it is mediocre at best, and for typing it's absolutely abysmal. it fares better than the crap razer products it competes with (physically, at least) but still nowhere near worth the asking price. nice font, though.

I saw this after seeing the post in the Razer thread, since I am subscribed to that.

In general, this seems to agree with some of the opinions I was seeing when considering keyboards. They weren't really available but a few people had a chance to feel them out (probably overseas/foreign).

I do have to laugh at the "better than the crap Razer boards it competes with" comment.
My BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth is laughing at you. :p

Best Razer product that the company has probably ever produced, in terms of overall quality, appearance, and likelihood of lasting the long haul.

Have you even touched any of the mechanical keyboards from Razer?

Granted, let me give you this caveat: other than the BWUS, I would never recommend one of their keyboards (at least, any of the models I've tested, including the regular BWU - non-"Stealth"). And I would be very hesitant to rec' one of their mice - I'm discovering, unless you have very very specific tastes and personal preferences for the feel of a mouse, they aren't that special. I've enjoyed some of their mice, and really even preferred one but they never really got it updated for better performance (and still: longevity remains a concern). My Logitech G700 is so far, while less comfortable to some degree (easy to get cramps), better and easier to get to do what I want to do, more customizable , and feels far more sturdy.

But yeah, based on your description, I'm not seeing anything that suggests this keyboard would even hold a candle to the BWUS. Of course, if you prefer the Red switch over the Brown switch, that's one thing.
Hell, at least every single key on the Razer model is the same switch type (including the five macro keys), but keycap printing/coating is of similar concern (this does look/feel like it might hold up for a decent while - I can almost guarantee, of course, they'll wear down. Hopefully by then custom translucent Cherry MX keycaps are available, as even with durable keycaps, the switches are quite likely to outlive the caps if you are worried about any kind of wear. :)
 
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I do have to laugh at the "better than the crap Razer boards it competes with" comment.
My BlackWidow Ultimate Stealth is laughing at you. :p

Best Razer product that the company has probably ever produced, in terms of overall quality, appearance, and likelihood of lasting the long haul.

Have you even touched any of the mechanical keyboards from Razer?

Granted, let me give you this caveat: other than the BWUS, I would never recommend one of their keyboards (at least, any of the models I've tested, including the regular BWU - non-"Stealth").

i had a blackwidow ultimate for less than 24 hours before returning it. the price was also $130. ergo, better than the crap razer boards it competes with.
 

destrekor

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i had a blackwidow ultimate for less than 24 hours before returning it. the price was also $130. ergo, better than the crap razer boards it competes with.

Ultimate? Or Ultimate Stealth?

Major difference. I currently own the Blackwidow Ultimate Stealth, and before that, I briefly owned the Blackwidow Ultimate. Two entirely different products. One, the non-stealth, was shitty, and the newer model is awesome (save for minor issues - no mechanical keyboard short of $150 is perfect, sadly. Too many little things we all like to find wrong, which is magnified when we pay that much for a damn keyboard).
 

Ben90

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no mechanical keyboard short of $150 is perfect, sadly. Too many little things we all like to find wrong, which is magnified when we pay that much for a damn keyboard).
I agree and would extend that to no keyboard is perfect disregarding cost. My beefs with Cherry switches:

Blacks: Too stiff, Boring Linear Action. Capslock LED way too bright (Filco's only)
Reds: Boring Linear Action, but better than Blacks
Browns: Not quite as perky as Blues
Blues: Loud as hell, actuation/reset point is stupid.

104 Key: Too big after using 10KeyLess
10KeyLess: No Numpad, needs more weight
 

dawp

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I bought the k60 this last weekend (same basic keyboard but without the macro keys) and so far I'm liking it. I don't mine the membrane f and nav keys as I don't really use them too much. paid $100 @ microcenter and I think it's a fair deal. my last previous boards were logitech and I like the feel of this one better. If logitech had a mechanical keyboard that would have been high on my list also. looked at some others around this price but I wanted the media control that most at this price didn't have that.
 
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I bought the k60 this last weekend (same basic keyboard but without the macro keys) and so far I'm liking it. I don't mine the membrane f and nav keys as I don't really use them too much. paid $100 @ microcenter and I think it's a fair deal. my last previous boards were logitech and I like the feel of this one better. If logitech had a mechanical keyboard that would have been high on my list also. looked at some others around this price but I wanted the media control that most at this price didn't have that.

you're right, the membranes for f, macro, home and the rest are a good choice for value. maybe i should clarify - my disappointment is in that value not reflected in the final price. does your k60 have the same edge on the left and right?
 

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you're right, the membranes for f, macro, home and the rest are a good choice for value. maybe i should clarify - my disappointment is in that value not reflected in the final price. does your k60 have the same edge on the left and right?

yup, I don't have the extended area where the macro keys are on the k90, all the keys are on the same level except the media controls and the button to disable the windows key. It looks like a standard keyboard layout. It doesn't have the led back lighting the k90 has, but it does come with red contoured keys for wasd and 123456, the ones hit most often in games. Those are stored in a wrist rest that attaches below where your had sits while using the wasd keys. I tried them but decided they weren't for me and put the regular black ones back. Overall I'd say I'm happy with my purchase.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823816001

I should add the last keyboard I had was a logitech mx 5000 mouse and keyboard combo and the only reason I decided to replace it was I has spilled too much crap (beer and/or wine and keyboards don't mix) on it and I didn't feel like popping off the keys to clean it properly, otherwise it still worked fine.
 
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jhansman

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Hmm, makes me glad I got my WASD keyboard. Not backlit, but sturdier than any k/b I've yet owned, and the MX blue keys are a joy to type on. I would like to someday own a backlit keyboard that is also well made, but have yet to see one.
 

Remobz

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Hmm, makes me glad I got my WASD keyboard. Not backlit, but sturdier than any k/b I've yet owned, and the MX blue keys are a joy to type on. I would like to someday own a backlit keyboard that is also well made, but have yet to see one.

I hate using lights when I am on the computer. I am always in the dark. I need backlit.

However, no well made keyboards with backlit feature as you say?

How long will I have to wait to purchase a good keyboard with backlit I wonder? :(
 

destrekor

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Now why'd you have to go and do a thing like that?

The Ducky back-lit MX Brown boards were one I had my eye on most, but was never in stock or the wrong versions were reaching stock first (Chinese letters versus English-only, wrong switch type, etc).

While I like the option of the macro keys, I do like the look of the Ducky board with minimal side/bezel (WASD and others also have that), whereas Razer decided to make an alien spaceship of a keyboard for their mechanical board design. Thankfully, aside from appearance, performance and build quality of the Blackwidow Stealth series completely matches up to the Ducky - so, individual appearances will probably be a major decision factor (and fear of Razer's history? :p) when deciding whether one wants to import that Ducky or not (since the back-lit, Cherry MX Brown keyboard is such a rarity - especially even seeing them in stock, let alone offered for sale:p).

Now, what I want to know - on those Ducky boards, are even the secondary characters back-lit? It appears that the num-row symbols are also ever-so-slightly transparent, which is nice considering all secondary characters on the Razer back-lit boards are printed onto the keys, with only the main characters transparent.

Does anyone know if it's possible to buy a keycap set from Ducky? :)

I just noticed that the Corsair keyboards offer that too, but I'm fairly certain those aren't dye-sub, since I think they use a black painted coating on the caps too (not even sure if Ducky's transparent keys are dye-sub or anything other than coated).
 
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Thanks for the review. I was looking at this a few months back but was turned off by the painted keys and the fact that its not fully mechanical. For the price, it should be.

Ended up with a Deck Legend Ice with Cherry Blacks. I love this thing.
 

daaron415

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Are there any other keyboards out there that have the raised keys off of the backplate? That was the only point that really drew me in.