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aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..

How are conjur's remarks homophobic? I don't see it.

 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..

How are conjur's remarks homophobic? I don't see it.

If you see homosexuality as a bad thing, implying someone else is homosexual would appear to be a homophobic act. :)
 
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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..

How are conjur's remarks homophobic? I don't see it.
It wasn't homophobic, it was trolling by the same guy who gets all bent out of shape when someone brings up Clinton's preference for knob jobs from WH interns.

And if that's a demonstration of closet homosexuality, it would seem an indictment of a good majority of the Arab world as well, since that's a common practice among their men.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And if that's a demonstration of closet homosexuality, it would seem an indictment of a good majority of the Arab world as well, since that's a common practice among their men.

Nice of you to get Arabs involved.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And if that's a demonstration of closet homosexuality, it would seem an indictment of a good majority of the Arab world as well, since that's a common practice among their men.

Nice of you to throw in an attack on Arabs.

What the hell are you talking about haha?
 
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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
And if that's a demonstration of closet homosexuality, it would seem an indictment of a good majority of the Arab world as well, since that's a common practice among their men.

Nice of you to throw in an attack on Arabs.

What the hell are you talking about haha?
Infohawk's having severe comprehension problems today.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..

Mentioning someone is gay-- in this cae the president-- doesn't mean you are homophobic. Constantly trying to deny gay people rights and hating them, like you conservatives do, IS homophobic. Capiche?

Why did he bring it up then? What relevance did it have to this discussion other than to someone insult or demean the President? Which would tell me he has an issue with gays, if he is going to use it to insult the President by referring to him as gay.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..
What are you doing here? I thought you ranted on in a several paragraphs-long diatribe that you were leaving this place?


Flip-flopper!!

Good thing I am not the President.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Why did he bring it up then?
Because he thought the president was acting homosexual?

What relevance did it have to this discussion other than to someone insult or demean the President?
Everyone talks about president's private lives. It's standard P&N.

Which would tell me he has an issue with gays, if he is going to use it to insult the President by referring to him as gay.
It's not clear it was an insult.

 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Moments from the SotU ;)


Makes one wonder if Bush is a closet homosexual. What's with the winking to Chertoff and the kiss to Liebermann?

Now all of a sudden you are homophobic? You guys need to make up your minds.. you can't rip homosexuals when its convenient and then claim they should have equal rights in the next breath..

Mentioning someone is gay-- in this cae the president-- doesn't mean you are homophobic. Constantly trying to deny gay people rights and hating them, like you conservatives do, IS homophobic. Capiche?

Why did he bring it up then? What relevance did it have to this discussion other than to someone insult or demean the President? Which would tell me he has an issue with gays, if he is going to use it to insult the President by referring to him as gay.

Well, it is quite amusing to suggest the President might be a closet gay, given that he's supporting an amendment to ban gay marriage.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
What are you doing here? I thought you ranted on in a several paragraphs-long diatribe that you were leaving this place?


Flip-flopper!!
Good thing I am not the President.
You can say that again!

BTW, you didn't answer my question.
 

HeaterCore

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Originally posted by: soundforbjt
Did anyone notice that the President never mentioned public enemy #1 Osama Bin Laden? And why is that?

sometimes, the best way to get a rabbit to come out of its hole is to act like you are ignoring him.

That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I can just imagine bin Laden now...

"Hey, I'm home free! Bush didn't mention me in the State of the Union! Screw the Predators overhead, boys, they've called off the search!"

-HC-
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: HeaterCore
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: soundforbjt
Did anyone notice that the President never mentioned public enemy #1 Osama Bin Laden? And why is that?

sometimes, the best way to get a rabbit to come out of its hole is to act like you are ignoring him.

That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, I can just imagine bin Laden now...

"Hey, I'm home free! Bush didn't mention me in the State of the Union! Screw the Predators overhead, boys, they've called off the search!"

-HC-

that is just the sort of redneck analogy I'd expect the president to make - are you one of his writers? heh - seriously though - osama bin laden is obviously not an idiot or he would be dead.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
What are you doing here? I thought you ranted on in a several paragraphs-long diatribe that you were leaving this place?


Flip-flopper!!
Good thing I am not the President.
You can say that again!

BTW, you didn't answer my question.

I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: conjur
What are you doing here? I thought you ranted on in a several paragraphs-long diatribe that you were leaving this place?


Flip-flopper!!
Good thing I am not the President.
You can say that again!

BTW, you didn't answer my question.
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.
<sniff> <sniff>

WAAAAAHHHH!!!
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Crimson
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.

If you want to be taken seriously you should answer fair questions. And how is conjur thread-crapping any more than you? You are the one who made a homophobic allegation.
 

conjur

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Iran and Syria didn't seem to like the rhetoric from last night's speech:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s...re_mi_ea/state_of_the_union_world_view
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's supreme leader on Thursday condemned President Bush (news - web sites)'s State of the Union address in which he accused Tehran of sponsoring terrorism, saying Washington was seeking to uproot Iran's ruling Islamic establishment but would fail.

"The Islamic Republic of Iran, because of supporting the oppressed and confronting oppressors, is being attacked by the global tyrants," state-run television quoted Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as saying.

"They (America) are trying, in a real but nonmilitary confrontation, through every possible means, to deny the talented Iranian nation of progress and deprive it of existence."

Khamenei was responding to Bush's annual speech to Congress on Wednesday, in which he accused Iran of being "the world's primary state sponsor of terror."

"America is like one of the big heads of a seven-headed dragon," Khamenei said. "The brains directing it are Zionist and non-Zionist capitalists who brought Bush to power to meet their own interests."

The European Union (news - web sites), however, welcomed Bush's comments on cooperative diplomatic efforts concerning Iran's nuclear program.

"To cooperate with the Americans is very important and very helpful," said Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn of Luxembourg, which holds the EU presidency. "Together, the Europeans and the Americans can put real pressure on Iran to find a solution."

Syria also rejected Bush's charge that it sponsored terrorism, with the information minister saying the democracy that Washington seeks for the Middle East cannot come through force.

Although criticized for his stern words on Syria and Iran, Bush also won some praise in the region for calling for an independent Palestinian state living side-by-side in peace with Israel.

South Korea (news - web sites), meanwhile, welcomed Bush's softened tone toward North Korea (news - web sites), hoping it would help the communist country return to talks aimed at ending its nuclear weapons programs.

Khamenei, who has the final say on all state matters in Iran and is also commander in chief of the armed forces, said all U.S. presidents since 1979 have sought to overthrow Iran's ruling establishment, but all failed one after the other.

"Bush is the fifth U.S. president seeking to uproot the Iranian nation and the Islamic Republic of Iran. (Jimmy) Carter, (Ronald) Reagan and father (George H.W.) Bush and (Bill) Clinton failed. This president will also fail," Khamenei was quoted as telling students during a meeting.

He said Iran has convinced nations in the Islamic world they can defeat the Americans, whom he routinely calls "the global tyrants."

"The Iranian nation not only has confronted the global tyrants, it has also convinced the Islamic world that it's possible to defeat the arrogance," the broadcast quoted Khamenei as saying.

In his speech, which came too late for Middle Eastern newspapers to publish, Bush said Washington was working with European allies to persuade Tehran to end its nuclear programs and stop supporting terror.

Addressing the Iranian people, he said: "As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."

On a street in the Iranian capital, Ali Dehqani said Bush should stay out of Iran's business.

"Bush's comment is right somehow. The people of Iran are restricted. Iran follows nuclear technology. But it's not his business to intervene in Iran's affairs," the 55-year-old man said. "Also, there is no evidence of support of terrorism by Iran."

Bush's speech amounted to "incitement and provocation against Iran," said Khaled al-Maeena, editor of the Saudi newspaper Arab News. He described the policy as "wrong and dangerous."

Ayed al-Manna, columnist in the Al-Watan daily in Kuwait, said Bush's words to the Iranians were "dangerous" and he feared such a move would lead to bloodshed. The Iranian regime is strong and it would be "better to talk to it and develop the democracy already in place," he said.

Russian lawmaker Konstantin Kosachyov, head of the foreign policy committee in the State Duma, the lower house, said Bush's characterization of Iran as the main center of world terrorism showed that his speech was "written by propagandists, not analysts."

Bush said America will work with friends in the region to fight terrorism while encouraging a higher standard of freedom. He said Syria allows its territory, and parts of Lebanon, to be used by "terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace" in the region.

"We expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom," Bush said.

Syrian Information Minister Mehdi Dakhlallah rejected the accusations, telling Al-Jazeera Arab satellite television that "everyone knows that Syria is cooperating in fighting terrorism."

Syria has cooperated with the West on tracking down al-Qaida supporters but has rejected U.S. calls to crack down on Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas who operate in southern Lebanon. Washington labels the Palestinian and Lebanese groups as terrorists.

The United States also accuses Syria of allowing insurgents to cross its border into Iraq (news - web sites), claims that Syria denies.

Syrian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Bushra Kanafani said Damascus "is working to do everything in its power to control" its border with Iraq.

Dakhlallah said Bush's remarks about an independent Palestinian state were positive.

"Freedoms cannot be exported by tanks and planes, death and destruction," he said. "The characteristics of the region and the distinctiveness of its peoples and cultures must be understood," he said.

Bush also called on Saudi Arabia and Egypt to take steps toward democracy, words that some considered interference.

"We thank Mr. Bush, but we are already having elections," said al-Maeena of Arab News. He referred to the staging later this month of Saudi Arabia's first municipal elections in 45 years.

"I don't believe we need Mr. Bush to advise us," he said. "This is an internal issue and we are working on it."

Bush only briefly mentioned North Korea during his address, saying Washington was "working closely with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

That was a stark contrast to his speech three years ago, when he branded North Korea part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Iraq.

The absence of hostile rhetoric raised hopes for a positive response from North Korea. Analysts have said the North was waiting to see what Bush would say in the speech.

"We assess that President Bush's speech reflected Washington's will to resolve the North's nuclear issue through a peaceful and diplomatic way," South Korea's Foreign Ministry said. "Now, it's time for North Korea to make a positive response and for us to resume the six-party talks soon and make concrete progress for the resolution of the North Korean nuclear issue."

After the speech, Bush spoke with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi and agreed that it was important to communicate to Pyongyang "that the world was serious about the North Korean problem," Japan's Foreign Ministry said.

Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks on the North's nuclear weapons programs, with no significant progress reported. A fourth round of talks scheduled for September was canceled because North Korea refused to attend.
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.

If you want to be taken seriously you should answer fair questions. And how is conjur thread-crapping any more than you? You are the one who made a homophobic allegation.

I don't give a flying piece of horse doody if you take me seriously or not.. If you think I care what your opinion of me is, then you are sorely mistaken.

Conjur accused the President of being gay.. I simply responded to that allegation questioning why he would bring it up. The President's sexual preferences have nothing to do with this thread.. The only reason I could think of him doing it was to use it as an insult.. which tells me he has some sort of issue with gays.

Now, I suppose I could be wrong, and Conjur respects gays so much that he admires when someone acts 'gay'.. In which case, I will apologize.. But, I would need to see conjur say he is admiring Bush's gay qualities first I guess.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.

If you want to be taken seriously you should answer fair questions. And how is conjur thread-crapping any more than you? You are the one who made a homophobic allegation.

I don't give a flying piece of horse doody if you take me seriously or not.. If you think I care what your opinion of me is, then you are sorely mistaken.

Conjur accused the President of being gay.. I simply responded to that allegation questioning why he would bring it up. The President's sexual preferences have nothing to do with this thread.. The only reason I could think of him doing it was to use it as an insult.. which tells me he has some sort of issue with gays.

Now, I suppose I could be wrong, and Conjur respects gays so much that he admires when someone acts 'gay'.. In which case, I will apologize.. But, I would need to see conjur say he is admiring Bush's gay qualities first I guess.

I don't think he really thinks the president is gay - I think it was just a joke which is funny simply on the grounds that it would be funny if the president was actually gay since he seems to hate them so much. I think this line of conversation is about at the end - it's pretty silly anyway...
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.

If you want to be taken seriously you should answer fair questions. And how is conjur thread-crapping any more than you? You are the one who made a homophobic allegation.

I don't give a flying piece of horse doody if you take me seriously or not.. If you think I care what your opinion of me is, then you are sorely mistaken.

Conjur accused the President of being gay.. I simply responded to that allegation questioning why he would bring it up. The President's sexual preferences have nothing to do with this thread.. The only reason I could think of him doing it was to use it as an insult.. which tells me he has some sort of issue with gays.

Now, I suppose I could be wrong, and Conjur respects gays so much that he admires when someone acts 'gay'.. In which case, I will apologize.. But, I would need to see conjur say he is admiring Bush's gay qualities first I guess.

I don't think he really thinks the president is gay - I think it was just a joke which is funny simply on the grounds that it would be funny if the president was actually gay since he seems to hate them so much. I think this line of conversation is about at the end - it's pretty silly anyway...

Well, if it WAS a joke, it wasn't funny. Usually jokes tend to make people laugh, or at least smile.
 

jpeyton

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I'd really like to thank the Dems for not applauding the talking monkey.

Nobody should encourage a person to lie on TV.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Crimson
I just checked the forum rules.. and nowhere in those rules does it say I must answer any question you ask.. Thread crapping and calling out HAS been mentioned as being against the rules. So, please stop breaking the rules and take your questions to me in private.

If you want to be taken seriously you should answer fair questions. And how is conjur thread-crapping any more than you? You are the one who made a homophobic allegation.

I don't give a flying piece of horse doody if you take me seriously or not.. If you think I care what your opinion of me is, then you are sorely mistaken.

Conjur accused the President of being gay.. I simply responded to that allegation questioning why he would bring it up. The President's sexual preferences have nothing to do with this thread.. The only reason I could think of him doing it was to use it as an insult.. which tells me he has some sort of issue with gays.

Now, I suppose I could be wrong, and Conjur respects gays so much that he admires when someone acts 'gay'.. In which case, I will apologize.. But, I would need to see conjur say he is admiring Bush's gay qualities first I guess.

I don't think he really thinks the president is gay - I think it was just a joke which is funny simply on the grounds that it would be funny if the president was actually gay since he seems to hate them so much. I think this line of conversation is about at the end - it's pretty silly anyway...

Well, if it WAS a joke, it wasn't funny. Usually jokes tend to make people laugh, or at least smile.

yeah - it's never funny if you have to explain it so much ;)
 

conjur

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dailykos has uncovered this Iraqi voter:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/3/61911/26777
I am always interested in finding out who the people are that are chosen to sit with in the "good seats" at the State of The Union.

Especially after last year, when Chalabi was sitting in the seat. You often wonder who these people are.

So as I'm watching the woman hold up a shaky "peace" sign, finger stained in purple, you are wonder. "Did they fly her in? Wow, that's some crazy symbolism."

So I decided to look around.

Diaries :: mikel1814's diary ::

Here's what Bush said.

"Eleven years ago, Safia's father was assassinated by Saddam's intelligence service. Three days ago in Baghdad, Safia was finally able to vote for the leaders of her country -- and we are honored that she is with us tonight."

Her name is Safia Taleb Al Souhail.

She works for the "International Alliance For Justice," which no longer has a website that is functioning. [ www.i-a-j.org. ] I tried to do a google search for the site and found a cached version of another one, www.a-i-j.org, which is down now as well and looks like it's been taken over by a defunct porn website. As for www.i-a-j.org, its now a rather generic "antispyware" website.

Beats me. I have my theories about all of these freedom and justice and happy iraqi websites that are oh so slick and oh so American, but I can't draw any conclusions because I have no background in doing so.

I was struck by the line "three days ago in Baghdad, Safia was finally able to vote..."

I did a search and found that she published an article in December of 2003 for the group "Foundation For the Defence of Democracies."
[www.defenddemocracy.org]


They seem pretty reasonable when you look at their mission statement on the website.

The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) is a non-partisan, non-profit policy institute dedicated to:

Finding the most effective ways to defeat terrorism--and the totalitarian ideologies used to incite and justify terrorism.

Employing strategic communications, education and research to fight terrorism across national, ethnic and religious lines.

Promoting freedom and basic human rights for all peoples.

So, then I went to see who they are, being non-partisan and all. Board of Directors?
Steve Forbes.
Jack Kemp.
Jeanne Kirkpatrick.

OK, so far not so balanced.

Distinguished Advisors?
Newt Gingrich.
R. James Woolsey.

OK, yikes. Still a bit off kilter.

Board of Advisors?
Gary Bauer.
Charles Karuthammer, (yes the columnist)
Bill Kristol.
Zell Miller.
Richard Perle.


wow. OK and then finally we see who represents the other side on that board.

Donna Brazille. (?)
Frank Lautenberg.
Chuck Schumer.

All very interesting, strange, but leading me away from my original question. Who is Safia Taleb Al Souhail?

Well I read her piece published under the banner of this group here. It was written in January of 2003. Just before we headed off to war. I think it's important to remember the mood of the time, and the debates we were having.

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/usr_doc/Ongoing_War.pdf

The first paragraph is what got me.

"As we watch UN inspectors search Iraq for weapons of mass destruction, I ask, why are there no UN inspectors investigating Saddam Hussein's crimes against the Iraqi people? Along with hidden caches of biological and chemical weapons, Iraw also has hidden tourture chambers, prisons, and maass graves."

Sound familiar? Does to me. Not only does he have lots of weapons that he's hiding, the United Nations is a worthless organization that isn't holding Sadaam accountable. Hmmm...


The article goes on to explain how bad Sadaam was for women, which we all know his brutality was second to none. But what struck me again was that she left the country in 1968. She returned to the country at some point recently. I found an article about her return to Iraq. to hold a Iraqi women's conference in Baghdad in July "facilitated by the coalition provisional authority." It seems she was in a group of people that had "returned" to Iraq with the "facitity" of the CPA. This was at another pastel colored, sleek website called "womenforiraq.org"

But here it is again, you click to read more about the conference in Baghdad...and you go to another blank page that says "Hopefully /article928.php at www.i-a-j.org will be up again soon. - 1254726158" And you click the "home" button and you're right back at that anti-spyware site. All of these groups are strangely connected to each other, and this one is now defunct.

But back to the article.

Her father was killed in 94. But although Bush said in the SOTU her father "was killed by Sadaam's Intelligence service," it's not quite the way you think it is. Her father was the leader of a tribe, but was killed in his exile home in Lebannon. How long was he in Lebbanon? Doesn't say, but the rest of the family was living in Jordan for nearly 30 years. It is not clear where Safia lived, but by this point, I'm sleepy and can hunt no more.


**** [UPDATED: I don't know how to do the fun editorial update but here it is. I found some new information, the plot seems to thicken.


http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=1379
US Secretly Helped Saddam
Al Bawaba ? December 20, 2003


The daughter of a prominent Iraqi opposition leader, who was assassinated in Beirut by Saddam Hussein's secret service in 1994 said she would sue the ousted Iraqi president before three international courts, charging that the U.S. was a virtual accomplice in her father's murder.

Nora al Tamimi, daughter of slain Iraqi opposition activist Taleb al Suhail al Tamimi, said from Beirut in a newspaper interview published Saturday that her father had planned a coup d'etat to overthrow Saddam in 1993, operating from Beirut and Amman.

"Zero hour was set for a certain June day in 1993 to stage the coup when Saddam would have been sponsoring an official event in Baghdad," Nora told the London-based Asharq Al Awsat newspaper in an interview conducted at the family house in Beirut.

"But the Americans, who did not want the coup to succeed possibly because they were certain my father would not go along with their polices, tipped off Saddam about the impending putsch by my father and gave the names of his top aides," Nora said. "All of them died in Saddam's torture chambers."

Sheik Taleb Al Tamimi, who led a million-member Central Iraqi tribe called the Bani Tamim, was shot dead April 12, 1994 at his apartment in Beirut's Ein El Tineh district in an assassination officially blamed by the Lebanese authorities on four Iraqi embassy diplomats, who were detained and then released on the grounds they enjoyed diplomatic immunity, Nora recalled.

Saddam has severed Baghdad's diplomatic ties with Beirut upon the detention of the four.

Nora said she plans to sue Saddam at the United Nations, before the International Court of Justice at The Hague and before the world organization of human rights.

Nora said her sister Saffia, 38, a human rights activist, has already returned to Iraq and is currently making the needed arrangements in Baghdad to recover the family's bank accounts and property, which were confiscated by Saddam in 1968, when her father fled Iraq.

She said the family would return to Iraq soon with the remains of her father for reburial in his native country.

The names are slightly different, but theses are obviously the same people.

Summary? The Safia's sister blames the United States for not protecting her father and telling Sadaam about a pending coup attempt because they didn't trust Safia's father.

Is the prominent position within current policy a payback to cover some behinds? Perhaps Bill Hemmer wasn't far off when he said "she will soon be the Mayor of Baghdad."
 

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Let me get this straight: she will sue Saddam in international courts because he killed her father who was preparing a coup d'etat against him? Doesn't she know what happens to those who try to overthrow a government with a force and get caught? So pathetic.