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HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush has not made illigal aliens US citizens YET. I am fearful thats his final plan

what we dont realize is that the children of these illigals are BORN US CITIZENS

We need to repeal the 14th Amendment which was created after the War of Northern Aggression to address the rights of the Southern blacks who have lived here for many generations. It had absolutely nothing to do with today's Mexicans running across the border.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


So now you want to repeal fundamental constitutional protections.

I hope my sarcasm meter is out of order, because it says you are serious.

"Fundamental constitutional protections?" What kind of nonsense is that? The Bill of Rights are Amendments 1 - 10, not 11+. The 14th Amendment was never needed.

Edit: many nations do not have an automatic policy of being their citizen if you are born in their nation. They realized the massive immigration problems that result from that.


The 14th Amendment says that if you are a citizen, the government cannot take away your legal rights, lock you up or take your things without due process, and can't make some people exempt from legal protections. Everyone who is a citizen gets them.

THis is what you want to eliminate?

I am trying real hard to not violate Godwins law here.

Did you not read the very first section of the 14th Amendment which you quoted above?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush has not made illigal aliens US citizens YET. I am fearful thats his final plan

what we dont realize is that the children of these illigals are BORN US CITIZENS

We need to repeal the 14th Amendment which was created after the War of Northern Aggression to address the rights of the Southern blacks who have lived here for many generations. It had absolutely nothing to do with today's Mexicans running across the border.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


So now you want to repeal fundamental constitutional protections.

I hope my sarcasm meter is out of order, because it says you are serious.

"Fundamental constitutional protections?" What kind of nonsense is that? The Bill of Rights are Amendments 1 - 10, not 11+. The 14th Amendment was never needed.

Edit: many nations do not have an automatic policy of being their citizen if you are born in their nation. They realized the massive immigration problems that result from that.


The 14th Amendment says that if you are a citizen, the government cannot take away your legal rights, lock you up or take your things without due process, and can't make some people exempt from legal protections. Everyone who is a citizen gets them.

THis is what you want to eliminate?

I am trying real hard to not violate Godwins law here.

Did you not read the very first section of the 14th Amendment which you quoted above?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ok, so you are born in the US. You are a citizen. Should we change that?
 

HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush has not made illigal aliens US citizens YET. I am fearful thats his final plan

what we dont realize is that the children of these illigals are BORN US CITIZENS

We need to repeal the 14th Amendment which was created after the War of Northern Aggression to address the rights of the Southern blacks who have lived here for many generations. It had absolutely nothing to do with today's Mexicans running across the border.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


So now you want to repeal fundamental constitutional protections.

I hope my sarcasm meter is out of order, because it says you are serious.

"Fundamental constitutional protections?" What kind of nonsense is that? The Bill of Rights are Amendments 1 - 10, not 11+. The 14th Amendment was never needed.

Edit: many nations do not have an automatic policy of being their citizen if you are born in their nation. They realized the massive immigration problems that result from that.


The 14th Amendment says that if you are a citizen, the government cannot take away your legal rights, lock you up or take your things without due process, and can't make some people exempt from legal protections. Everyone who is a citizen gets them.

THis is what you want to eliminate?

I am trying real hard to not violate Godwins law here.

Did you not read the very first section of the 14th Amendment which you quoted above?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ok, so you are born in the US. You are a citizen. Should we change that?

Yes! If you read the 10 other posts before mine, we were complaining about all of the illegals who run into this country just to pop out babies. They are called "anchor babies" because at age 18, they can then bring in their whole families.

But the point is that anyone can run into the US, pop out their baby, and that baby is automatically a US citizen.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: raildogg
Bush has not made illigal aliens US citizens YET. I am fearful thats his final plan

what we dont realize is that the children of these illigals are BORN US CITIZENS

We need to repeal the 14th Amendment which was created after the War of Northern Aggression to address the rights of the Southern blacks who have lived here for many generations. It had absolutely nothing to do with today's Mexicans running across the border.

Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


So now you want to repeal fundamental constitutional protections.

I hope my sarcasm meter is out of order, because it says you are serious.

"Fundamental constitutional protections?" What kind of nonsense is that? The Bill of Rights are Amendments 1 - 10, not 11+. The 14th Amendment was never needed.

Edit: many nations do not have an automatic policy of being their citizen if you are born in their nation. They realized the massive immigration problems that result from that.


The 14th Amendment says that if you are a citizen, the government cannot take away your legal rights, lock you up or take your things without due process, and can't make some people exempt from legal protections. Everyone who is a citizen gets them.

THis is what you want to eliminate?

I am trying real hard to not violate Godwins law here.

Did you not read the very first section of the 14th Amendment which you quoted above?

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Ok, so you are born in the US. You are a citizen. Should we change that?

Yes! If you read the 10 other posts before mine, we were complaining about all of the illegals who run into this country just to pop out babies. They are called "anchor babies" because at age 18, they can then bring in their whole families.

But the point is that anyone can run into the US, pop out their baby, and that baby is automatically a US citizen.


Well I disagree. We'll leave it at that.
 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And more power to the concept of equal treatment of ALL citizens

I'm glad the people of US recognized the need for clarifying the constitution by passing the 14th amendment.


 

HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'll be saying "God help America" the next 4 years, because it needs all the help it can get to survive the onslaught by this idiot.

Can you be specific? What did Bush say that qualifies as idiotic other than the illegals? SS is broke; we need to take out Syria and Iran
 

HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And more power to the concept of equal treatment of ALL citizens

I'm glad the people of US recognized the need for clarifying the constitution by passing the 14th amendment.
This has nothing to do with equal treatment of US citizens!

Illegals (i.e. NOT US citizens) run across our border and pop out babies. They have broken federal law and need to be deported. Their children should also not be US citizens and be deported as well.

In Southern California, they have already closed several hospitals because their emergency rooms were overflooded with illegals seeking medical treatement. That is the unintended consequences of the 14th Amendment.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'll be saying "God help America" the next 4 years, because it needs all the help it can get to survive the onslaught by this idiot.

Can you be specific? What did Bush say that qualifies as idiotic other than the illegals? SS is broke; we need to take out Syria and Iran

Let him just stick with what he knows and does best, invading other Countries like Iran and Syria.

I hate to put more of our boys in harms way for phoney wars but they seem to be wanting to do it. I've spoken to quite a few that are happy to be killing rather than mopping down equipment and drills.

He should leave SS alone and leave it to a more compentent President, it is certainly not him.

 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Why did the Dems get these two clowns for the rebuttal?

Because they are the highest ranking, elected democrats in the land.

Odd thing is, Reid(sp?) is pro-life..

 

jpeyton

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To be perfectly honest, I actually enjoyed Bush's first SOU address back in 2001. Yes, I wasn't always a diehard Bush hater.

Then I watched Bush over the next four years continuing to re-neg on almost all his SOU issues.

This year is just a pathetic joke. Please tune in if you like watching a Hefty sack full of garbage leak all over a canned audience.

The entire SS schpiel was a pile of horsesh1t as well. SS will go bankrupt decades faster using private accounts.
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Odd thing is, Reid(sp?) is pro-life..

Meh. It's not that odd. The Dems recognize that they have to try to capture some of the zealots if they want to win the next election. I doubt it will work though, they should go for fiscal conservatives who Bush isn't representing anymore.
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Babbles
Why did the Dems get these two clowns for the rebuttal?

Because they are the highest ranking, elected democrats in the land.

Odd thing is, Reid(sp?) is pro-life..

Last time they only had Nancy Pelosi I believe. I suppose they realize how bad she came off and perhaps paired her with this guy.

She has to be a robot. She scares me.

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Odd thing is, Reid(sp?) is pro-life..

Meh. It's not that odd. The Dems recognize that they have to try to capture some of the zealots if they want to win the next election. I doubt it will work though, they should go for fiscal conservatives who Bush isn't representing anymore.

He may be Pro-Life but how extreme, does he scream at the killing of two cells???

He hit on all the things I have been saying the last 3 years.

She had nothing new to say.

 

GroundedSailor

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
Originally posted by: HalosPuma
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And more power to the concept of equal treatment of ALL citizens

I'm glad the people of US recognized the need for clarifying the constitution by passing the 14th amendment.
This has nothing to do with equal treatment of US citizens!

Illegals (i.e. NOT US citizens) run across our border and pop out babies. They have broken federal law and need to be deported. Their children should also not be US citizens and be deported as well.

In Southern California, they have already closed several hospitals because their emergency rooms were overflooded with illegals seeking medical treatement. That is the unintended consequences of the 14th Amendment.

Yes but a few posts earlier you advocated changing that for US citizens even born ones. It would help your arguments if you were consistent.



 

Mill

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I heard Bush is banning health care and making everyone pay cash. Yeah, he also said he eats babies. OMG.
 

Mill

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Mill
I heard Bush is banning health care and making everyone pay cash.

Might as well, only the Rich have the cash though.

What do you think about him eating that live baby on the stage? RRR or FLL? I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a case of the RYB GTA or the MCP JKK. :)
 
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this thread is all about how DM wanted to say bush is a jerk before anyone talked about the resonable moderate stances bush took.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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I'm curious . . . if Bush is going to cut the deficit in half by 2009 from $521B but HIS budget forecast is for a record $427B deficit for fiscal 2005 . . . what kinda frickin' calculator is he using?

"My budget substantially reduces or eliminates more than 150 government programs that are not getting results, or duplicate current efforts, or do not fulfill essential priorities. The principle here is clear: a taxpayer dollar must be spent wisely, or not at all," Bush said.
Uh $40m for a 2nd inauguration . . . on a more egregious level how about this pork . . .

Overall government spending has increased by 26 percent between 2001 and 2004, while discretionary spending during the same period has surged 38 percent, according to an analysis by the conservative Heritage Foundation.
I guess Bush found religion on fiscal restraint . . . yesterday.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I'm curious . . . if Bush is going to cut the deficit in half by 2009 from $521B but HIS budget forecast is for a record $427B deficit for fiscal 2005 . . . what kinda frickin' calculator is he using?

"My budget substantially reduces or eliminates more than 150 government programs that are not getting results, or duplicate current efforts, or do not fulfill essential priorities. The principle here is clear: a taxpayer dollar must be spent wisely, or not at all," Bush said.
Uh $40m for a 2nd inauguration . . . on a more egregious level how about this pork . . .

Overall government spending has increased by 26 percent between 2001 and 2004, while discretionary spending during the same period has surged 38 percent, according to an analysis by the conservative Heritage Foundation.
I guess Bush found religion on fiscal restraint . . . yesterday.

Part one: Private money. However, the $20 Million for security was taxpayer money and clearly wasted, as it "most" money in DC.

2nd part - (was that my quote from another thread?) - Absolutely. Conservative? LOL!

 

soundforbjt

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Did anyone notice that the President never mentioned public enemy #1 Osama Bin Laden? And why is that?