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Taxable, non-taxable, and the IRS

KingofFah

Senior member
It's interesting how I always come to ATOT when I have a question regarding the operations of some system. In this case, I am inquiring about how taxes work in my case.

Currently, I have never paid taxes, since I have always worked for cash jobs and tips (or had under 5k of normal income -- bi-weekly payments by check).

My questions is simple, but I do not know if the answer is. Currently, I am working at a gym; I am virtually a walking encyclopaedia of health, nutrition, training, form, etc. Of course, for liability, they would like me to be certified for me to work for them. This really is not a concern, since I only have a small problem with the principle of me paying for someone to tell me that I know as much as I do.

A friend of mine with whom I work at the gym gave me a location in which he would like to train. It seems there is a very strong client-base there. If I were to accept payment only by cash or check, would it be possible for them to prove that I receiveded the income (the checks)? Also, if I deposit money into a regular US checking account, who's to say that I did not find it on the street? What I am wondering is: if I am depositiing 3-6k a month into my checking account and do not file taxes, would I get myself into trouble? I have no idea how this all works and really would not care to bother myself with learning it's functioning methods; however, I do not want to be hit in the face with some kind of claim against my not filing. Obviously, I could do off-shore, but I am interested in finding out if they can prove it or not. It doesn't make sense as to what right they have to claim it (but that's the US for you).

Summary: If I am not registered as a business, am receiving cash and checks as payment, deposit that into a US banking account, and not file taxes, in what kind of mess would I possibly be?

Is a safer alternative to become a tax exile and run an international business with off-shore banking in tax havens?
 
Originally posted by: KingofFah
Summary: If I am not registered as a business, am receiving cash and checks as payment, deposit that into a US banking account, and not file taxes, in what kind of mess would I possibly be?
Welcome to FPMITAP.
 
Just hope you never have an unhappy (or excessively ethical) customer who turns you in to the IRS.

Massive penalties and/or prison.

Also, if the business is paying you anything, they will probably want to report that to the IRS so they can claim the expense, so you'll no longer be "off the grid." Even if you are a contractor they will file a 1099 on you.
 
how would this work if you get 100% under the table payment? could you just fill a tax return out -- don't you need a w2? could you just fill it in and if they audit you....crap. this is confusing.
 
you should get a W2 form before the next filing period with regards to the taxes you have paid.

i'm not really sure how it works if you don't.
 
Yeah, chambersc, that's why I posted it here -- in hopes that someone is familiar with the way this system's rules work.
What I do not understand is how the a large part of the moving business is almost entirely done in cash (at the end of the day you get untaxed cash from the subcontractor).
What are tips? Can't I just claim the price is free for PT, and the money which I get is a tip? I don't understand how that can be argued in court, or do they even take you to court, lol.

Seriously, though, I am looking for information on international businesses and off-shore.
Someone know anything about domiciles in un-taxed juridictions? Becoming another nationality?

One thing that gets me is that I never agreed to be a US citizen -- born here and trapped here, that the way it works it seems. Where in writing do they have proof that I CHOSE to be a US citizen?

Can a five year-old born in american reliquish citizenship? No, because they are lawfully imposed to be unable to do so.

Maybe, even if I did give up citizenship, they would claim I cannot relinquish something which I never had; funny.

Looking at stuff about "expatriation".
Here's something interesting which I've found.
"Ever since, expatriation has been a favorite ?hot button? issue kicked around by the American news media and ?soak-the-rich? politicians.8 While current anti-expat provisions in the U.S. Tax Code are relatively toothless, this status may soon change. On July 25, 2003 legislation (HR 2896) was introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives by Rep. William M. Thomas (R-Cal.), powerful chairman of the tax-writing Committee on Ways and Means. This bill includes an ominous Sec. 2005, entitled ?Revision of Tax Rules on Expatriation of Individuals.?

This section, in effect, would impose an immediate tax on unrealized capital gains on anyone who ends their U.S. citizenship. It uses an arbitrary test of net worth and/or income tax paid over a period of years to assume an ex-citizen is trying to escape income taxes. Similar net worth/income tax provisions have been the law since 1996, which I?ll explain in a moment. "

Since I have virtually no income tax and all my income has always been kept in cash form and never "on the grid" as one said, I should not have a problem. In reality, anyway, I certainly would not be relinquishing my citizenship for the purpose of escaping income tax. I do not like american, or any country for that matter -- just my opinion, no flame intended, no insult intended.

I think a plan formulating. Thanks for the responses guys, probably don't need any more.
 
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