Tax Revolt:Revolutionary War Part II:4-12 Updated added Maine

[dmcowen674]

It's not up to "Revolutionary" status yet but it is a start:

OK, add Maine to the growing list and looks like soon South Carolina:

4-12-2004 Rising property taxes scare off homeowners


4-3-2004 MyPropertyTaxCut.com

Over the past ten years Florida property taxes have soared 78%, yet population increased just 21%. In the past decade alone, local government levied an additional $8 billion in taxes, spending this windfall at a staggering rate and for what purpose? Local budgets have ballooned, wasteful pet projects have proliferated and still the politicians want more of our money.

That's why I've launched my property tax cut amendment. It's a way to rein in out of control spending and return money to you the taxpayer!

With your help, we can put my amendment on the November, 2004 ballot and make property tax relief a reality.

Every Florida homeowner will save $500 per year in Florida property taxes!

My amendment increases the Homestead Exemption on property assessments by $25,000. That means over $500 in Florida property tax savings to every Florida homeowner with a homesteaded residence.

Let's reign in out of control government spending and put our tax money back in the hands of those who can do the most good with it-you the Florida taxpayer.

Thank you for your help, please sign your petition today!
Sincerely,

Jeffrey Saull, Chairman
Families for Lower Property Taxes
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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Iowa State Constitution Amendment

A Joint Resolution proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the State of Iowa to require approval by vote of the people before certain tax or fee increases take effect.

Senate passed the Amendment to give taxpayers more say
Passed - 26-23

Legislature needs to pass it then it needs to be passed again in the same form next year by both the Senate and House.

Any of you who are in Iowa - call your Legislators and tell them you support this bill allowing people to have more say in their gov't. Also if you are not in Iowa and your State doesn't have an Amendment like this - contact your Legislators suggesting they implement one

Our gov't works best when people have more say

CkG

Originally posted by: CPA
You should add Texas to your list of states revolting against massively high property tax values.

A Houston radio station started a grassroots effort to slow down the skyrocketing property tax values. They started a PAC called C.L.O.U.T. - Citizens Lowering Our Unfair Taxes. The movement has come a long way and has spurred a special session in the Texas Legislature which will review the Governor's proposal to limit the annual property value increase to 3% annually. It is currently 30% over a 3 year period - more than 200% greater than the annual rate of inflation.

States started Tax Revolts:

Texas
Florida
Iowa
Maine

 

[charrison]

Property tax is one of the worst ways to tax. Property tax mean you dont actually own any property, as you are only renting it from the state.


Proposed changes to property tax:
1. property is only taxed at the purchase price
2. property tax is not longer after property is paid for(old folks wont get taxed out of their house)

 

[dirtboy]

Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

Having the state pay for your child's education is sloth. Unfortunately, public education is truly insidious because it makes parents who would send their kids to private schools pay twice for their kids' education.

Property taxes are levied because there is a physical location to collect and evasion is difficult. It is theft plain and simple.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

Having the state pay for your child's education is sloth. Unfortunately, public education is truly insidious because it makes parents who would send their kids to private schools pay twice for their kids' education.

Property taxes are levied because there is a physical location to collect and evasion is difficult. It is theft plain and simple.

Well well well, everyone one the same page, well almost everyone.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

Having the state pay for your child's education is sloth. Unfortunately, public education is truly insidious because it makes parents who would send their kids to private schools pay twice for their kids' education.

Property taxes are levied because there is a physical location to collect and evasion is difficult. It is theft plain and simple.

thats right, and public universities? should be dismantled. all parents should be able to pay unsubsidized ivy league fee's. its a sign of a responsible parent. if you cant, well every society needs a lower class. and well community college? those simply shouldnt and can't exist without subsidies. too bad. survival of the fittest i say!


and well, the people who benifit the most from property tax cuts? those with the most property of course! defund the government, since those people don't need government service to begin with. and well, you can't go wrong by not taxing the rich!

 

[Siddhartha]

Nobody wants to pay taxes. But people want sevices for themselves, their family, and friends. That sounds like a conflict to me.

"They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay." That might work in the magical land of OZ but not here.

 

[XZeroII]

I guess Kerry won't be getting FL's vote. If they are fed up with tax increases, they will see Kerry as the devil (even if it's different taxes...)

 

[PingSpike]

I think most people don't hate paying taxes as much as they hate paying taxes and then seeing it blown on stupid crap.

I think people hate piss poor budget management by elected officials more than anything else. At least, thats what I hate.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I think most people don't hate paying taxes as much as they hate paying taxes and then seeing it blown on stupid crap.

I think people hate piss poor budget management by elected officials more than anything else. At least, thats what I hate.

:beer:

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I think most people don't hate paying taxes as much as they hate paying taxes and then seeing it blown on stupid crap.

I think people hate piss poor budget management by elected officials more than anything else. At least, thats what I hate.

agreed

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: charrison
Property tax is one of the worst ways to tax. Property tax mean you dont actually own any property, as you are only renting it from the state.


Proposed changes to property tax:
1. property is only taxed at the purchase price
2. property tax is not longer after property is paid for(old folks wont get taxed out of their house)

CA uses the first method.


as for renting it from the state, that is in reality what you are doing. the state has a superior claim of title to the land you're on than you do. we're not a civil law country, we're a common law country, and that goes part and parcel with it.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

You said they will have choice and then said nothing. Choice in what? You make a stand on an issue and leave it unexplained. I'll give you the chance to elaborate, but apparently you would rather say nothing and not explain your point. Bravo.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

They would just borrow the money it is the neo-con way of funding everything under the sun.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

You said they will have choice and then said nothing. Choice in what? You make a stand on an issue and leave it unexplained. I'll give you the chance to elaborate, but apparently you would rather say nothing and not explain your point. Bravo.

I then proposed capping property tax at the purchase price
and
removing property tax from those that fully own their property

Neither one of these would remove property taxes as people are free to buy and sell their property. But it would allow them to have choice in their taxes.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

You said they will have choice and then said nothing. Choice in what? You make a stand on an issue and leave it unexplained. I'll give you the chance to elaborate, but apparently you would rather say nothing and not explain your point. Bravo.

I then proposed capping property tax at the purchase price
and
removing property tax from those that fully own their property

Neither one of these would remove property taxes as people are free to buy and sell their property. But it would allow them to have choice in their taxes.

Would that be the neo-cons second prinicple of taxetion only the poor should have to pay taxes? A rich person could go out and buy a 500k dollar houses, but that poor working bastered has to take out a loan to get the same house. The rich person would have to pay a tax bill once and the poor would have to pay it 30 times.

 

[nutxo]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

You said they will have choice and then said nothing. Choice in what? You make a stand on an issue and leave it unexplained. I'll give you the chance to elaborate, but apparently you would rather say nothing and not explain your point. Bravo.

I then proposed capping property tax at the purchase price
and
removing property tax from those that fully own their property

Neither one of these would remove property taxes as people are free to buy and sell their property. But it would allow them to have choice in their taxes.

Would that be the neo-cons second prinicple of taxetion only the poor should have to pay taxes? A rich person could go out and buy a 500k dollar houses, but that poor working bastered has to take out a loan to get the same house. The rich person would have to pay a tax bill once and the poor would have to pay it 30 times.

Hmm, that doesnt sound right....

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: dirtboy
Okay, so how will schools and things that get their monies from property tax get money under your plan??????

They will still get money from property taxes. Consumers will just have more choice in the taxes they pay.

You said that people won't be paying property tax every year. So will they just volunteer to pay or what?

No where did I say that.

You said they will have choice and then said nothing. Choice in what? You make a stand on an issue and leave it unexplained. I'll give you the chance to elaborate, but apparently you would rather say nothing and not explain your point. Bravo.

I then proposed capping property tax at the purchase price
and
removing property tax from those that fully own their property

Neither one of these would remove property taxes as people are free to buy and sell their property. But it would allow them to have choice in their taxes.

Would that be the neo-cons second prinicple of taxetion only the poor should have to pay taxes? A rich person could go out and buy a 500k dollar houses, but that poor working bastered has to take out a loan to get the same house. The rich person would have to pay a tax bill once and the poor would have to pay it 30 times.

Thats the problem I see. Its essentially another reward for being rich. Poor people can't afford to buy a house flat out, hell most middle class people can't. There really isn't any choice that I can see.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Would that be the neo-cons second prinicple of taxetion only the poor should have to pay taxes? A rich person could go out and buy a 500k dollar houses, but that poor working bastered has to take out a loan to get the same house. The rich person would have to pay a tax bill once and the poor would have to pay it 30 times.

alot of people are pissed other people are "better off" than they are.

the only thing that will make a difference is if they actually do something about it rather than having chronic envy all their lives. here is my advice to them.

1. work and pay your own way through college, it can be done, i did it.

2. the first step to getting a good job is working at some bad one first and learning the ropes.

3. come to the realization that the world was not created for your benefit and begin living accordingly, things will get easier from there. you are a drop in the ocean and nothing more the world existed just fine before you came along and it will continue to exist after you leave with most of it never noticing you...unless you use your talents to thier best extent and make your own mark on the world.

4. come to the realization all people are NOT created equally. a person with an IQ of 30 will never be a rocket scientist, and if he somehow did become one, i would not ride on it! conversely, a person with an IQ of 140 that is lazy and spends most of his time bitchin about people who are better off than he is rather than working to change his own situation will never amount to much either.

5. you usually have to create your own "luck" that is simply the way it is....deal with it.

6. come to the realization that when you burst forth from your mother's womb, a guarantee that the world would be exactly the way you wanted it did not come with you...in fact, most of the world does not care.

7. all that money you owe the credit card company is YOUR fault..not theirs. you dug yourself in the hole and you will have to dig yourself out.

8. getting a state education will only teach you what the state wants you to know.

9. there is always someone willing to do your job for less money...especially overseas.

10. no matter how smart, witty, and competent you are there is always someone smarter, faster, and more competent. you are not irreplaceable no matter how comfortable you feel about yourself.

11. it does not matter what you think, reality is objective.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Would that be the neo-cons second prinicple of taxetion only the poor should have to pay taxes? A rich person could go out and buy a 500k dollar houses, but that poor working bastered has to take out a loan to get the same house. The rich person would have to pay a tax bill once and the poor would have to pay it 30 times.

alot of people are pissed other people are "better off" than they are.

the only thing that will make a difference is if they actually do something about it rather than having chronic envy all their lives. here is my advice to them.

1. work and pay your own way through college, it can be done, i did it.

2. the first step to getting a good job is working at some bad one first and learning the ropes.

3. come to the realization that the world was not created for your benefit and begin living accordingly, things will get easier from there. you are a drop in the ocean and nothing more the world existed just fine before you came along and it will continue to exist after you leave with most of it never noticing you...unless you use your talents to thier best extent and make your own mark on the world.

4. come to the realization all people are NOT created equally. a person with an IQ of 30 will never be a rocket scientist, and if he somehow did become one, i would not ride on it! conversely, a person with an IQ of 140 that is lazy and spends most of his time bitchin about people who are better off than he is rather than working to change his own situation will never amount to much either.

5. you usually have to create your own "luck" that is simply the way it is....deal with it.

6. come to the realization that when you burst forth from your mother's womb, a guarantee that the world would be exactly the way you wanted it did not come with you...in fact, most of the world does not care.

7. all that money you owe the credit card company is YOUR fault..not theirs. you dug yourself in the hole and you will have to dig yourself out.

8. getting a state education will only teach you what the state wants you to know.

9. there is always someone willing to do your job for less money...especially overseas.

10. no matter how smart, witty, and competent you are there is always someone smarter, faster, and more competent. you are not irreplaceable no matter how comfortable you feel about yourself.

11. it does not matter what you think, reality is objective.

WTF does that have to do with charrison new property tax idea?

 

[Red Dawn]

N/M

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: charrison
Property tax is one of the worst ways to tax. Property tax mean you dont actually own any property, as you are only renting it from the state.


Proposed changes to property tax:
1. property is only taxed at the purchase price
2. property tax is not longer after property is paid for(old folks wont get taxed out of their house)

CA uses the first method.


as for renting it from the state, that is in reality what you are doing. the state has a superior claim of title to the land you're on than you do. we're not a civil law country, we're a common law country, and that goes part and parcel with it.

Wow, someone else actually knows this. RespectForYourKnowledge++