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Tax break fuels anger over outsourcing-related layoffs in Fla.

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http://www.computerworld.com/a...9105518&intsrc=hm_list

July 01, 2008 (Computerworld) Nielsen Co., the media company known for audience measurement, has given up tens of thousands of dollars in local tax breaks this year after signing an outsourcing deal with an India-based offshore provider.

The move, which has drawn negative reviews from local officials, came after the company announced it would lay off 117 workers at its global technology center Oldsmar, Fla.

Although companies that hire outsourcing firms often try to limit the release of information about layoffs through employee nondisclosure agreements tied to severance and public statements, Nielsen was unable to do so in this case.

That's because it received property tax breaks in 2001 to build a $100 million global technology center in Oldsmar. The tax breaks were pegged to the number of high-wage jobs -- those that paid at least $52,000 -- the company created. That forced Nielsen to disclose hiring details at that facility, effectively putting the employee count of the facility on the local political radar.

In April, when the layoffs were reported locally, Oldsmar city council members responded angrily to the move, according to the minutes of one meeting (download PDF). One council member accused the company, its largest employer, of "making a joke of the tax incentive program," and another charged that Nielsen "had abdicated their responsibility as a corporate citizen." Adding fuel to the fire were local media reports, which publicized the layoffs and the council's reaction.

Nielsen had about 1,200 workers at the facility when the incentive agreement was reached, an employee count that gradually grew to 1,700. But last October, Nielsen announced a 10-year outsourcing agreement valued at $1.2 billion with Tata Consultancy Services in Mumbai. The move was designed to allow Nielsen to integrate and centralize IT systems.

That deal was followed this year with the news that 117 employees would be laid off. Although 50 of those workers have been hired by Tata, Nielsen last week announced it was cutting anotherr 170 jobs -- and some of those affected are training Tata employees to do their work. The company expects to have about 1,300 employees by year end at its facility, with the addition of another 250 or so contract workers.

Gary Holmes, a spokesman for Nielsen, said the decision to pull out of the incentive program followed the Oldsmar city council's "second thoughts about the agreement" and the impact of all the attention on the layoffs. "It became kind of an emotional issue," Holmes said.

Nielsen's layoffs also drew attention from CNN's Lou Dobbs, who has railed against the H-1B program. India offshore providers are major users of the H-1B visa, with Tata getting 797 of the visas in 2007. Opponents cite the visa's use in outsourcing to counter tech industry claims by Bill Gates and others that the visa is used to hire "the best and the brightest" foreign graduates of U.S. universities. Congress is currently struggling to find a middle ground through legislative efforts to give a Green Card, or permanent residency, to foreign nationals who receive advanced degrees from U.S. universities.

Under the original 2001 agreements, Nielsen has received some $3.1 million in tax incentives for its Oldsmar facility, which includes $1.7 million in breaks from the state and $1.4 million from Oldsmar and Pinellas county. The local incentives run to 2016 and will depend on how many high-paying jobs remain in place during each year of the agreement





Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer.

As well as more jobs heading overseas.

At least in this case there are at least local people realizing the severity of this corporate treason.

It doesn't sound like they are just going to roll over on this.

I have a little more hope from Floridians than Texans but just a little more.

Maybe just maybe they realize their mistake following the Texas GOP so blindly.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Where does Texas come into play within this article?

It doesn't. It's just Dave's way of saying "hi, I'm over here!"
 
I familiar with both Nielsen and Oldsmar. I lived very close to Oldsmar for almost 20 years and I knew several people that worked for Nielsen. Let me just say that Nielsen is an awful company and has always treated their employees like garbage so this does not come as a surprise to me. Their poor business practices range from lower management to upper. They deserve to be driven into the ground.
 
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.

Wait, so because the company took advantage of the city, its OK because the city allowed itself to be taken advantage of?

You see no issue in the fac that the company is backing off certain promises it made?

If thats the case, isn't that lying of sorts? Would you be ok with the company being sued to get some of the tax breaks back, based on the proportion of workers it outsourced vs what is promised to keep onshore?
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.

Garbage. Just because there is a legal loophole where it is ridiculously obvious that it was not intended and shouldn't be taken advantage of doesn't mean that Oldsmar got what it deserved. Nor do the people who are getting screwed over here deserve this.
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.

Yep. While it may not be "fair" to the city, what the city did was give preferential treatment to one business over the existing businesses in town. Why should one company get special tax treatment? If it's OK for one, why not any and all that want to come in there?
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.

Yep. While it may not be "fair" to the city, what the city did was give preferential treatment to one business over the existing businesses in town. Why should one company get special tax treatment? If it's OK for one, why not any and all that want to come in there?

I think its funny that its OK for companies to influence politicians/government to get such breaks, and then just do whatever.....

How come the conservatives like yourself aren't more opposed to lobbying and company tax breaks in general?

I think companies should receive 0 tax breaks, its their job to figure out how to make the money. And its not like the corporate tax rate is sky high either. Its not the governments job to be in corporations' business its just its job to make sure companies are not breaking the law as they operate.


A few of my really conservative friends, basically think that whatever you can get away with lobbying / writing bills for the government is fair game because the government lets you. When I ask them to help support legislation that outlaws such things they balk and say 'too much government!'. Hypocracy at its best.
 
Originally posted by: GTKeeper
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Ho Hum. Just another corporate ripoff of the American tax payer. As well as more jobs heading overseas.
Thank goodness morons don't know the difference between "free" trade and unfair trade.
The unfair practices against the free market in this case were perpetrated by the city, which gave one company preferential treatment. The city got what it deserved as a result.

Yep. While it may not be "fair" to the city, what the city did was give preferential treatment to one business over the existing businesses in town. Why should one company get special tax treatment? If it's OK for one, why not any and all that want to come in there?

I think its funny that its OK for companies to influence politicians/government to get such breaks, and then just do whatever.....

How come the conservatives like yourself aren't more opposed to lobbying and company tax breaks in general?

I think companies should receive 0 tax breaks, its their job to figure out how to make the money. And its not like the corporate tax rate is sky high either. Its not the governments job to be in corporations' business its just its job to make sure companies are not breaking the law as they operate.


A few of my really conservative friends, basically think that whatever you can get away with lobbying / writing bills for the government is fair game because the government lets you. When I ask them to help support legislation that outlaws such things they balk and say 'too much government!'. Hypocracy at its best.


I am generally opposed to lobbying and company tax breaks. I fail to see how you think my statement suggests otherwise.

The town gambled and lost. The problem here is that they offered the tax bribe in the first place.
 
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