Tax and Spend Conservatives?

[Zebo]

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[Siddhartha]

All the conservatives I have talk to are against "big governent" unless it benefits them, their friends, and people like them.

So
Good conservative government: benefits me
Bad liberal government: benefits others, welfare cheats, etc

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
All the conservatives I have talk to are against "big governent" unless it benefits them, their friends, and people like them.

So
Good conservative government: benefits me
Bad liberal government: benefits others, welfare cheats, etc

A true conservative does not wish for more Gov't.

CkG

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

What exactly is a true conservative? These terms are total BS . . . and most of the people that clamour for a label; liberal, conservative, neocon, etc . . . have no personal substance hence they must find some greater ideal to raise their meager egos.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
What exactly is a true conservative? These terms are total BS . . . and most of the people that clamour for a label; liberal, conservative, neocon, etc . . . have no personal substance hence they must find some greater ideal to raise their meager egos.

Well Paleoconservatives are the good ones. Small governemnt, states rights, isolationist, anti-monopoly, anti free trade etc Like Joe Sobran and Pat Buchanan. Neoconservative leaders have invested enormous energy in accusing them of anti-Semitism and in attempting to anathematize them. these new ones are terrible IMO because they whore out the governement or thier wares, take away civil liberities, guns etc.. Basically they have National Socialist leanings.Text

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
What exactly is a true conservative? These terms are total BS . . . and most of the people that clamour for a label; liberal, conservative, neocon, etc . . . have no personal substance hence they must find some greater ideal to raise their meager egos.

cli?che also cli?che \kle-"sha, "kle-', kli-"\ noun [F, lit., printer's stereotype, fr. pp. of clicher to stereotype, of imit. origin] (1892)
1 : a trite phrase or expression; also : the idea expressed by it
2 : a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation
3 : something (as a menu item) that has become overly familiar or commonplace
cliche adjective

(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
What exactly is a true conservative? These terms are total BS . . . and most of the people that clamour for a label; liberal, conservative, neocon, etc . . . have no personal substance hence they must find some greater ideal to raise their meager egos.

Exctually those that can't or won't identify their political ideology are the ones with no personal substance or don't want to commit to thier ideals. Take a look at what you believe based on your morals, principles, and ideals and make note of them. Then take a look at the different Political ideologies - I bet you'll find one that fits you pretty closely.

But whatever makes you feel good about yourself...

CkG

 

[alchemize]

I'm a neo-paleo-libertarian-liberal-moderate-conseravative. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[povertystruck]

didn't you forget a 'moderate'

 

[Czar]

just an obervation, but what alot of people call true conservative fits the description of a libertian much closer

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: povertystruck
didn't you forget a 'moderate'

Sure did. I added it.

 

[povertystruck]

damn i didn't see that, I need a coffee.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Czar
just an obervation, but what alot of people call true conservative fits the description of a libertian much closer

Libertarians do share conservative ideals just as they share liberal ideals. However Libertarians tend to want little to no gov't involved in their life which means they'd like to shrink it dramatically(which it needs to IMO) but a Conservative while they may not want more gov't - it doesn't mean they want "little to no gov't". There is a difference.

CkG

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Exctually those that can't or won't identify their political ideology are the ones with no personal substance or don't want to commit to thier ideals. Take a look at what you believe based on your morals, principles, and ideals and make note of them. Then take a look at the different Political ideologies - I bet you'll find one that fits you pretty closely.

When I was young and ignorant I was an arch-Conservative (IVCF, FCA, pro-Life, pro-marriage (anti-divorce), registered/voting Republican). Now that I've lived a little and traveled alot I find many of my morals, principles, and ideals are shared with a myriad of people with diverse opinions on diverse issues. It's a wonderful country that allows people to live their lives without thinking (ideologues). Problems develop when the non-thinkers decide everyone should at least act like them even if we are not capable of thinking (or absence thereof) like them.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Exctually those that can't or won't identify their political ideology are the ones with no personal substance or don't want to commit to thier ideals. Take a look at what you believe based on your morals, principles, and ideals and make note of them. Then take a look at the different Political ideologies - I bet you'll find one that fits you pretty closely.

When I was young and ignorant I was an arch-Conservative (IVCF, FCA, pro-Life, pro-marriage (anti-divorce), registered/voting Republican). Now that I've lived a little and traveled alot I find many of my morals, principles, and ideals are shared with a myriad of people with diverse opinions on diverse issues. It's a wonderful country that allows people to live their lives without thinking (ideologues). Problems develop when the non-thinkers decide everyone should at least act like them even if we are not capable of thinking (or absence thereof) like them.

When I was young and foolish I was more idealistic. It was only upon seeing and living the realities of life day after day that I realized that there was a need for me to rely more on my morals and principles to make it through. To stray from these morals creates more chaos than is already present in our daily lives.
You can spout "free-thinking" all you want but you and I both know that isn't the case for the majority of the population and "thinkers" do populate both sides of the philisophical fence. betraying ones morals/principles in the name of "diversity" and "enlightnement" is silly...IMO But you are free to think that way if it makes you feel better

CkG

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
All the conservatives I have talk to are against "big governent" unless it benefits them, their friends, and people like them.

So
Good conservative government: benefits me
Bad liberal government: benefits others, welfare cheats, etc

Goverment did not get to its current size over night and it will not shrink back to what it needs to be over night. Right now it is damn politically impossible to cut programs of any kind. With any luck the people can be weaned off these programs in the future.

But yes, goverment is too large.

 

[amok]

Goverment did not get to its current size over night and it will not shrink back to what it needs to be over night. Right now it is damn politically impossible to cut programs of any kind. With any luck the people can be weaned off these programs in the future.

But yes, goverment is too large.

Agreed. The only problem with eliminating programs, even via weaning them off as you put it, is that you have to either eliminate the need for said programs or there has to exist an equivalent or greater alternative. The current and near-future economic situation doesn't appear to be capable of either.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
What exactly is a true conservative? These terms are total BS . . . and most of the people that clamour for a label; liberal, conservative, neocon, etc . . . have no personal substance hence they must find some greater ideal to raise their meager egos.

cli?che also cli?che \kle-"sha, "kle-', kli-"\ noun [F, lit., printer's stereotype, fr. pp. of clicher to stereotype, of imit. origin] (1892)
1 : a trite phrase or expression; also : the idea expressed by it
2 : a hackneyed theme, characterization, or situation
3 : something (as a menu item) that has become overly familiar or commonplace
cliche adjective

(C)1996 Zane Publishing, Inc. and Merriam-Webster, Incorporated. All rights reserved.

Yup, "Welfare Cheats"

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

There you go again . . . what makes you think there's only two sides? Oh I know . . . it's called limited perspective. Liberals (with the exception of people like Daniel Patrick Moynihan) never stop to reassess the benefits (or detriments) of their policies b/c faith in their beliefs overwelms the natural desire for neurons to communicate on a regular basis. Conservatives have the same affliction. Curiously both groups extol their lack of introspection . . . I think they call it political philosophy. They match their self righteous proselytizing with intermittent condemnation for their opposition . . . essentially anyone unwilling to give up Mother Nature's greatest gift . . . reason.

 

[Ferocious]

This reinforces my belief that he is more of a Richard Nixon than a Ronald Reagan. I just hope we don?t suffer the same consequences.

Yeah under Nixon we got

1. Economic controls
2. Affirmative action
3. Environmental Protection Agency
4. Occupational Safety and Health Administration
5. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

Well actually in retrospect....four of these turned out mostly positive and one turned out bad.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ferocious

This reinforces my belief that he is more of a Richard Nixon than a Ronald Reagan. I just hope we don?t suffer the same consequences.

Yeah under Nixon we got

1. Economic controls
2. Affirmative action
3. Environmental Protection Agency
4. Occupational Safety and Health Administration
5. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

Well actually in retrospect....four of these turned out mostly positive and one turned out bad.

Yeah but at what cost?