Taliban Not Our Enemy Says VP Biden

[Nebor]

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Wow wow I am so impressed, when you were in the military you could order your men to to indiscriminately kill kill kill, yet someone like me who never wanted that power and is only making observations of why aholes like you are a big part of the problem. Yet now you have suddenly rehabilitated your self from stinking thinking you had and still have, and expect me to kiss you because you are now a powerless civilian just like I have always been.

In short, and pardon me for observing, JOS, you had stinking thinking while you were in the military, and have not learned anything since now that you are a civilian. As you somehow think you should be revered for your military services for being part of the problem and not any part of the solution.

You actually believe he was in the SAS?

 

[cybrsage]

You say NATO is disconnected from reality... Do you really think Afghanistan is going to embrace Western values? Aside from the fact that they've resisted outside influence for a thousand years, who's to say our values should be forced on them at all? They're fine living the way they are, and we should just leave them alone to tend their sheep herds.

They do seem to want democracy. Their voter turnout rate is very darned high. That is impressive, but even more so when there are people trying to kill them to prevent them from voting.

In Philadelphia, PA, we had Black Panters with clubs stading in front of polling places...but the police chased them off eventually...but that is nothing like what happens in Afghanistan.

 

[Nebor]

They do seem to want democracy. Their voter turnout rate is very darned high. That is impressive, but even more so when there are people trying to kill them to prevent them from voting.

In Philadelphia, PA, we had Black Panters with clubs stading in front of polling places...but the police chased them off eventually...but that is nothing like what happens in Afghanistan.

It's higher than here, but that isn't saying much. And the amount of fraud in their elections is staggering. Besides, given a few years, they'll vote in Islamic law and vote away their right to vote. Because that's how it's always been, and that's how they like it.

 

[davmat787]

Careful Cybersage, JohnOfSheffield is the Brit who can shoot something like 1/2" groups from half a mile with his .30-06 "sniper rifle", lol. If you care to search for it, that thread was hilarious.

I'm sure Nebor remembers that exchange.

 

[davmat787]

Nebor, how did your fellow Army buds react to this comment Biden made, that the Taliban is not our enemy? If they aren't the enemy, why are they setting up IED's? If not the Taliban, who is engaging in firefights with the US? I understand what Biden is trying to do, I think, but it seems like a slap in the face to anyone who has been blown to shit by an IED or mamed in a firefight.

 

[Nebor]

Careful Cybersage, JohnOfSheffield is the Brit who can shoot something like 1/2" groups from half a mile with his .30-06 "sniper rifle", lol. If you care to search for it, that thread was hilarious.

I'm sure Nebor remembers that exchange.

I remember every ridiculous thing he's ever claimed here, sprinkled in with his constant drunken insults & name calling, and his incredibly poor grammar.

 

[Nebor]

Nebor, how did your fellow Army buds react to this comment Biden made, that the Taliban is not our enemy? If they aren't the enemy, why are they setting up IED's? If not the Taliban, who is engaging in firefights with the US? I understand what Biden is trying to do, I think, but it seems like a slap in the face to anyone who has been blown to shit by an IED or mamed in a firefight.

I haven't really discussed it with many people, as they're still on leave for the holidays.

Literally every soldier I know that's deployed to Afghanistan has come back with the attitude of, "Fuck that place, we should leave and never go back." There are no redeeming qualities there, and it's not worth the blood & treasure.

 

[davmat787]

I haven't really discussed it with many people, as they're still on leave for the holidays.

Literally every soldier I know that's deployed to Afghanistan has come back with the attitude of, "Fuck that place, we should leave and never go back." There are no redeeming qualities there, and it's not worth the blood & treasure.

Agree that we should get the hell out, there is absolutely nothing worth a single scrape of a serviceman. The gap in values, ideology, and culture is just too wide.

 

[Lemon law]

Agree that we should get the hell out, there is absolutely nothing worth a single scrape of a serviceman. The gap in values, ideology, and culture is just too wide.

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All well and fine for you to say daymat if you look at only US views.

But what about the Afghan people who have don't have the option to just get out and never come back to Afghanistan. As the Taliban is a greatly diminished force since 911.

If only 1% of the Afghan people believed 100% of Taliban bullshit, there would be 310,000 Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, instead of the 10,000 or so remaining today. Or we can fast backward to say 1994 in Afghanistan before the rise of the Taliban, the Afghan people did not love the Taliban, but compared to all the alternatives, the Taliban became the lesser of all the other existing evils in 1994.

And in 2002 the vast bulk of the Afghan people wanted the US to win and free them from Tyranny of the Taliban government, and instead the US delivered a government even more corrupt than the government the Taliban overthrew in 1995.

And Now because Nato forgot, or should I say didn't even try to be that better alternative for that Afghan people than the Taliban, you blame only the Afghan people????????

Think think think daymat, if you were an Afghani mired in primitive poverty, why would you not blame Nato for making your life even worse than it was in 1994. As you watch Nato indiscriminately kill all your neighbors while the Karzai government thugs steal your land and rape your daughters. Because even as bad as the Taliban is, they are not that cruel to the Afghan people.

Please join me daymat in saying there is something wrong with that picture. And realize that Nato can start winning if it offers that better alternative to the Afghan people.