Taliban Are Beheading Their Way through Former Pakistan Tourist Haven

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Imagine? Taliban don't listen to beatles or any music for that matter save jihadi nasheeds.


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Taliban Are Beheading Their Way through Former Pakistan Tourist Haven
Scenic Pakistani Valley Falls to Taliban Militants
Monday, December 29, 2008
By Nahal Toosi, Associated Press


Pakistani Taliban publicly flog an alleged narcotic smuggler in Pakistan's Swat valley, Dec. 15, 2008. Taliban are beheading and burning their way through the Swat Valley and now control most of the picturesque northwest region once dubbed "the Switzerland of Pakistan," residents and officials say. (AP Photo/Sherin Zada)
Islamabad, Pakistan - Taliban militants are beheading and burning their way through Pakistan's picturesque Swat Valley, and residents say the insurgents now control most of the mountainous region far from the lawless tribal areas where jihadists thrive.

The deteriorating situation in the former tourist haven comes despite an army offensive that began in 2007 and an attempted peace deal. It is especially worrisome to Pakistani officials because the valley lies outside the areas where al-Qaida and Taliban militants have traditionally operated and where the military is staging a separate offensive.

"You can't imagine how bad it is," said Muzaffar ul-Mulk, a federal lawmaker whose home in Swat was attacked by bomb-toting assailants in mid-December, weeks after he left. "It's worse day by day."

The Taliban activity in northwest Pakistan also comes as the country shifts forces east to the Indian border because of tensions over last month's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, potentially giving insurgents more space to maneuver along the Afghan frontier.

Militants began preying on Swat's lush mountain ranges about two years ago, and it is now too dangerous for foreign and Pakistani journalists to visit. Interviews with residents, lawmakers and officials who have fled the region paint a dire picture.

A suicide blast killed 40 people Sunday at a polling station in Buner, an area bordering Swat that had been relatively peaceful. The attack underscored fears that even so-called "settled" regions presumptively under government control are increasingly unsafe.

The 3,500-square-mile Swat Valley lies less than 100 miles from the capital, Islamabad.

A senior government official said he feared there could be a spillover effect if the government lost control of Swat and allowed the insurgency to infect other areas. Like nearly everyone interviewed, the official requested anonymity for fear of reprisal by militants.

Officials estimate that up to a third of Swat's 1.5 million people have left the area. Salah-ud-Din, who oversees relief efforts in Swat for the International Committee of the Red Cross, estimated that 80 percent of the valley is now under Taliban control.

Swat's militants are led by Maulana Fazlullah, a cleric who rose to prominence through radio broadcasts demanding the imposition of a harsh brand of Islamic law. His appeal tapped into widespread frustration with the area's inefficient judicial system.

Most of the insurgents are easy to spot with long hair, beards, rifles, camouflage vests and running shoes. They number at most 2,000, according to people who were interviewed.

In some places, just a handful of insurgents can control a village. They rule by fear: beheading government sympathizers, blowing up bridges and demanding women wear all-encompassing burqas.

They have also set up a parallel administration with courts, taxes, patrols and checkpoints, according to lawmakers and officials. And they are suspected of burning scores of girls' schools.


In mid-December, Taliban fighters killed a young member of a Sufi-influenced Muslim group who had tried to raise a militia against them. The militants later dug up Pir Samiullah's corpse and hung it for two days in a village square _ partly to prove to his followers that he was not a superhuman saint, a security official said on condition of anonymity.

A lawmaker and the senior Swat government official said business and landowners had been told to give two-thirds of their income to the militants. Some local media reported last week that the militants have pronounced a ban on female education effective in mid-January.

Several people interviewed said the regional government made a mistake in May when it struck a peace deal with the militants. The agreement fell apart within two months but let the insurgents regroup.

The Swat insurgency also includes Afghan and other fighters from outside the valley, security officials said.

Any movement of Pakistani troops from the Swat Valley and tribal areas to the Indian border will concern the United States and other Western countries, which want Pakistan to focus on the al-Qaida threat near Afghanistan.

On Friday, Pakistani intelligence officials said thousands of troops were being shifted toward the border with India, which blames Pakistani militants for terrorist attacks in Mumbai last month that killed 164 people. But there has been no sign yet of a major buildup near India.

"The terrorists' aim in Mumbai was precisely this _ to get the Pakistani army to withdraw from the western border and mount operations on the east," said Ahmed Rashid, a journalist and author who has written extensively about militancy in the region.

"The terrorists are not going to be sitting still. They are not going to be adhering to any sort of cease-fire while the army takes on the Indian threat. They are going to occupy the vacuum the army will create."

Residents and officials from the Swat Valley were critical of the army offensive there, saying troops appeared to be confined to their posts and often killed civilians when firing artillery at suspected militant targets.

The military has deployed some 100,000 troops through the northwest.

A government official familiar with security issues estimated that some 10,000 paramilitary and army troops had killed 300 to 400 militants in Swat since 2007, while about 130 troops were killed. Authorities have not released details of civilian casualties, and it was unclear if they were even being tallied.

The official, who insisted on anonymity because of the issue's sensitivity, disputed assertions that militants had overrun the valley, but said a spotty supply line was hampering operations. He said the army had to man some Swat police stations because the police force there had been decimated by desertions and militant killings.

A Swat militant boasted that "we are doing our activities wherever we want, and the army is confined to their living places."

"They cannot move independently like us," said the man, who was reached over the phone and gave his name as Muzaffarul Haq. He claimed the Swat militants had no al-Qaida or foreign connections, but that they supported all groups that shared the goal of imposing Islamic law.

"With the grace of Allah, there is no dearth of funds, weapons or rations," he said. "Our women are providing cooked food for those who are struggling in Allah's path. Our children are getting prepared for jihad."
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Associated Press writers Zarar Khan in Islamabad and Riaz Khan in Peshawar contributed to this report.
 

Julius Shark

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I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

you remain a fool.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

I'd feed them to pigs but I get your point.
 

ZzZGuy

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

I want to argue, but only particle concerns come to mind.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

you remain a fool.

You're one of the people who claim brutality turn civies against you. It's false. Not enough does but as you see from the story 2000 brutal men control a whole region of 10 million. (its virtually the same in all fundi countries) and was the same in Philippines with us. Today our fighting is a waste of time and money. We'll get real warriors once a couple pak nukes detonate in NY and LA.
 

badnewcastle

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

Can I quote this in my sig?

:thumbsup:
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

Yeah, that worked really well for the Soviets. There is no way you and Zebo are over the age of 25.
 

badnewcastle

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.

Yeah, that worked really well for the Soviets. There is no way you and Zebo are over the age of 25.

It didn't work for them because we were stronger. That's what he meant when he said "STRENGTH IS SIMPLE," the stonger wins!
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: badnewcastle
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Yeah, that worked really well for the Soviets. There is no way you and Zebo are over the age of 25.

It didn't work for them only because we were stronger. That's what he meant when he said "STRENGTH IS SIMPLE," the stonger wins!

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but on the off chance you are... go read a book on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The US helped the insurgents there, but that's not why they won.
 

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: badnewcastle
Originally posted by: eskimospy

Yeah, that worked really well for the Soviets. There is no way you and Zebo are over the age of 25.

It didn't work for them only because we were stronger. That's what he meant when he said "STRENGTH IS SIMPLE," the stonger wins!

I can't tell if you're serious or not, but on the off chance you are... go read a book on the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The US helped the insurgents there, but that's not why they won.

The Soviet Union lost the "Cold War" because the US was stronger. I was serious and I was thinking of a longer period of time then just the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
 

JSt0rm

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Originally posted by: Zebo
We'll get real warriors once a couple pak nukes detonate in NY and LA.

Are the neocons planning on doing this? "for the good of the nation" scary. i live in LA. We are a shallow people but we still deserve life :)
 

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So you are saying that we should have our own people turn themselves into freaks by beheading people ? I'm sure we could kill them in other ways that wouldn't require even further warping of the minds of our soldiers. (if that is how you would insist on dealing with the problem)

you do realize that soldiers have families etc...they go back home to these people..they don't need to be exposed to unnecessary brutality. War is already horrible enough without purposely making it even more grisly.
 

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark


I?m tired of the pussies in this Country that won?t let us start beheading Taliban.

If we went in and started public beheadings of Taliban, how long do you think it would take to get control of these thugs?

It would all be over in a matter of weeks.

Weakness is complex. Strength is simple.
Especially from the anonymity of your keyboard!
 

Lemon law

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There are a lot of question marks in the link, only 2000 Taliban fighters are able to basically take over from 100,000 Pakistani troops. A 2/3 tax rate, total intimidation, and a parallel government and court system
does explain high Taliban morale and ample supplies. I suspect Taliban violence is more symbolic than widespread, and while the Nato is concentrating on winning militarily, seemingly, the Taliban is concentrating on getting the hearts and minds.

I doubt the Taliban can hold the Swat valley if the government tries to force them out, and I doubt the Taliban can win any hearts and minds in more modern parts of Pakistan, but it is a wakeup call for the Nato occupation of Afghanistan, because the Taliban is winning hearts and minds while Nato is simply not.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
There are a lot of question marks in the link, only 2000 Taliban fighters are able to basically take over from 100,000 Pakistani troops. A 2/3 tax rate, total intimidation, and a parallel government and court system
does explain high Taliban morale and ample supplies. I suspect Taliban violence is more symbolic than widespread, and while the Nato is concentrating on winning militarily, seemingly, the Taliban is concentrating on getting the hearts and minds.

I doubt the Taliban can hold the Swat valley if the government tries to force them out, and I doubt the Taliban can win any hearts and minds in more modern parts of Pakistan, but it is a wakeup call for the Nato occupation of Afghanistan, because the Taliban is winning hearts and minds while Nato is simply not.

Was this post serious? You are one sick person.
 

Zebo

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Taliban isnt winning shit. They have the people in total fear. Beheadings, severe torture, killing and raping whole families and the like have a way of doing that it does not take that many determined sociopaths to make people cower in fear. Brownshirts in germany to Crips in the hood are the same and have the same effect on the civilians.
 

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The Taliban must be slaughtered mercilessly for this madness to end. There is no other solution. Their will to fight must be broken, and the only way to accomplish that is to destroy them all. Every village that supports the Taliban must be destroyed. Not just bombed, but completely destroyed. Everyone must be killed. The Taliban must be put in a position where they have to choose between surrender or annihilation. Everyone knows this.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Taliban isnt winning shit. They have the people in total fear. Beheadings, severe torture, killing and raping whole families and the like have a way of doing that it does not take that many determined sociopaths to make people cower in fear. Brownshirts in germany to Crips in the hood are the same and have the same effect on the civilians.
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Just make sure to include the USA and Nato who are equally feared and hated in Afghanistan and the tribal areas of Pakistan.

Its fine for Nato to put out its propaganda, just don't believe all of it. There are a lot of reasons Nato is failing to win hearts and minds, and many of them are correctable.

And in those cases, denial of what really happening gets out troops killed.
 

Fern

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So the Taliban have taken over a tourist haven area in Pakistan?

Geez, that's one broken and impotent country. I could see the Taliban skulking around in remote region, but a freakin tourist haven?

Fern
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Taliban must be slaughtered mercilessly for this madness to end. There is no other solution. Their will to fight must be broken, and the only way to accomplish that is to destroy them all. Every village that supports the Taliban must be destroyed. Not just bombed, but completely destroyed. Everyone must be killed. The Taliban must be put in a position where they have to choose between surrender or annihilation. Everyone knows this.

Everyone does not know this. In fact I'd say all the lessons from Alexander the Great all the way up to fired MacArthur have been forgotten by the west in favor of un-winable just war theory and laws of warfare adopted after WWII.
 

Julius Shark

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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
The Taliban must be slaughtered mercilessly for this madness to end. There is no other solution. Their will to fight must be broken, and the only way to accomplish that is to destroy them all. Every village that supports the Taliban must be destroyed. Not just bombed, but completely destroyed. Everyone must be killed. The Taliban must be put in a position where they have to choose between surrender or annihilation. Everyone knows this.

I agree. Your view is refreshing.
 

Julius Shark

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My friends. On the afternoon of 9/11 I said that the proper response was a nuclear attack on Kabul and Bagdad. This was less that 2 hours after the attacks!

Now here we are, 7 years later, Trillions of dollars in debt, a President with horrible approvals, a new President who is still a green political amateur and what have we got?

Afghanistan and Iraq were never worth liberating. The proper response was a hideous display of US power. Massive death of Afghanis and Iraqis would have saved Americans a lot of pain and death and expense. Why do you idiots think we keep these nuclear weapons?

We made or bed now we have to lie in it.

I don?t want to hear you weak ass pussies whining when we have to do what I just described above, eventually.

It?s coming.
 

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Originally posted by: Julius Shark
My friends. On the afternoon of 9/11 I said that the proper response was a nuclear attack on Kabul and Bagdad. This was less that 2 hours after the attacks!

Now here we are, 7 years later, Trillions of dollars in debt, a President with horrible approvals, a new President who is still a green political amateur and what have we got?

Afghanistan and Iraq were never worth liberating. The proper response was a hideous display of US power. Massive death of Afghanis and Iraqis would have saved Americans a lot of pain and death and expense. Why do you idiots think we keep these nuclear weapons?

We made or bed now we have to lie in it.

I don?t want to hear you weak ass pussies whining when we have to do what I just described above, eventually.

It?s coming.

I don't have a big enough "rolls eyes" smilie for this kind of comment. It's really sad that we have citizens of this country that think like this.

The amount of people posting shit like this is like an 18 year old high school senior, that think they are hot shit and know everything, only to have to go into the real world and realize they don't know anything.

Killing millions of innocent people doesn't help or solve the problem. 9/11 happened because *private citizens* (IOW, not a nation) planned and executed an attack against us. You can say that the Taliban did support this group (and they did), but the millions of Afghani citizens didn't, and don't deserve to be vaporized because of clueless people like yourself that grew up watching too many Rambo movies.

Baghdad and Iraq isn't even related to 9/11, despite Bush and Cheney's lies to the contrary, so why would you advocate nuking Baghdad?

You have no clue how nasty nuclear weapons can be, and making casual comments to the effect of "nuke them all" just shows how childish and uninformed you really are.