Taliban’s Doha office revived

[Orignal Earl]

Americans have conceded apathy. Given the US Public doesn't have the attention span or stomach for what it would take to actually transform Afghanistan into a modern society (read: educated and relatively non-violent), we're simply done trying to lead dumb stubborn horses to water and having them not drink and kick us. Instead we'll leave them to the Native Americans who will use them as they see fit (use them for what they decree and then eat them). In another thousand years perhaps the Afghans then will look back with abject horror on how large an opportunity they squandered...but I'm not betting on it...

Afghanistan was well on it's way to modernization before the Soviets invaded.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=afgh...v&sa=X&ei=rPzpVO3-Gsy0sASRy4GoCQ&ved=0CBwQsAQ

For 14 years the US sent millions of textbooks to brainwash millions of Afghan/Pakistanian children to love war, terrorism and so called Jihad.
This is where most of the shit you see today comes from

Genesis Of Islamic Radicalism: The US Textbook Project That Taught Afghan Children Terror

http://newsrescue.com/genesis-of-is...-taught-afghan-children-terror/#axzz3STkZ2sCl

 

[raildogg]

I don't think that's going to be a good idea for America. America's influence is already waning. Once the USA fully withdraws, this will be playground for Russia, China and to a lesser extent India and Iran. That will be a direct threat to American interests in the Middle East.

Pakistan for one is already trying to move away from its dependence on the West. For the first time in history, it is looking to buy arms from Russia (Pakistan's cold war enemy). It is also desperately trying to have friendly relations with India--but with Hindu nationalism on the rise, it seems impossible from the other side. If it weren't for our corrupt politicians, we would have been importing gas from Iran (their side of the pipeline is complete). And China is supposedly our best friend who is building a strategic deep water port near Hormuz.

I'm sure these nations have aspirations in other countries in this region. And beyond.

Well, it seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed between Pakistan and India and no progress is ever made. Or progress is made in terms of cooperation but something happens. A lot of people for one reason or another are nationalistic and therefore cannot imagine cooperating with others. This is true for India and Pakistan as well. You are right, I am seeing an increase in Indian nationalism, though that could be my biased eyes looking for it.

You are right though but I have to add something. It's not that the politicians are necessarily corrupt but I would say it's humans. A man who is truly good will never be corrupted. Unfortunately, very few such men exist. This is very telling because if this world had truly good men, they would be good politicians that would never be corrupted. It's not the case.

Back on topic: It is a shame that India and Pakistan split. But once again, if people were good, it never would have happened. Not only that, there is Bangladesh as well that also split later on.

 

[chucky2]

Afghanistan was well on it's way to modernization before the Soviets invaded.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=afgh...v&sa=X&ei=rPzpVO3-Gsy0sASRy4GoCQ&ved=0CBwQsAQ

For 14 years the US sent millions of textbooks to brainwash millions of Afghan/Pakistanian children to love war, terrorism and so called Jihad.
This is where most of the shit you see today comes from

Genesis Of Islamic Radicalism: The US Textbook Project That Taught Afghan Children Terror

http://newsrescue.com/genesis-of-is...-taught-afghan-children-terror/#axzz3STkZ2sCl

That doesn't really matter in the context of when we went into Afghanistan in 2001. No one can go back in time...

 

[Orignal Earl]

That doesn't really matter in the context of when we went into Afghanistan in 2001. No one can go back in time...

The US taught millions of Afghans to be dumb horses and now you can't understand why you can't lead them to water or why they are kicking you.
Where did you get your education?

 

[Abwx]

Afghanistan was well on it's way to modernization before the Soviets invaded.

The Russians didnt invade Afghanistan, that s a western fabricated myth to legitimize the support to the meddle age insurgency that was fighting the legal government modernisation laws that did put women on an equal foot with men.

The communist afghan government was in the same position than the current Iraqi government facing the so called religious extremists, the US doesnt want to admit that they fueled a reactionary insurgency in Afghanistan to topple a legal communist government, hence this invasion myth and lie that live to this day in the western brainwashed brains.

Indeed once they defeated the communists Kabul was completely destroyed by thoses extremist factions that started fighting for the power...

 

[chucky2]

The point is Earl, that's then, this is in the now. We are dealing with what we helped (not solely) create, but that doesn't absolve these people of their part they're playing (or choosing not to play) in this.

 

[The Green Bean]

Well, it seems like a lot of fingers are being pointed between Pakistan and India and no progress is ever made. Or progress is made in terms of cooperation but something happens. A lot of people for one reason or another are nationalistic and therefore cannot imagine cooperating with others. This is true for India and Pakistan as well. You are right, I am seeing an increase in Indian nationalism, though that could be my biased eyes looking for it.

You are right though but I have to add something. It's not that the politicians are necessarily corrupt but I would say it's humans. A man who is truly good will never be corrupted. Unfortunately, very few such men exist. This is very telling because if this world had truly good men, they would be good politicians that would never be corrupted. It's not the case.

Back on topic: It is a shame that India and Pakistan split. But once again, if people were good, it never would have happened. Not only that, there is Bangladesh as well that also split later on.

If you watch Indian news channels, two things are clear: nationalism and hatred for Pakistan. On the other hand, Pakistani channels are relatively liberal. Everyone, baring the army, is mocked. India is rarely mentioned (and usually in a good light). The boat incident where an Indian official has admitted was blown up by India is proof: India channels took no time in denouncing "Pakistani terror." But now that it has been established India blew up an unarmed Pakistani fishing vessel, the Indian media is being apologetic and somehow still faulting Pakistan. If they spent even half the time bashing their politicians that they spend in mocking Pakistan, they Indians would have been much better off.

I think the split was a good thing. I only wish more countries would have been created. Too many heads is stalling India's progress. You can't please everyone: so many opinions hinders any new law or reform. I see that in Pakistan too but to a lesser extent. 1.5 billion people should have more countries: the European system where power is devolved to the people rather than stay with the few on top. That is why we keep hoping for another Musharraf and the Indians a Modi.

 

[werepossum]

The Russians didnt invade Afghanistan, that s a western fabricated myth to legitimize the support to the meddle age insurgency that was fighting the legal government modernisation laws that did put women on an equal foot with men.

The communist afghan government was in the same position than the current Iraqi government facing the so called religious extremists, the US doesnt want to admit that they fueled a reactionary insurgency in Afghanistan to topple a legal communist government, hence this invasion myth and lie that live to this day in the western brainwashed brains.

Indeed once they defeated the communists Kabul was completely destroyed by thoses extremist factions that started fighting for the power...

lolcopter

Nothing more entertaining than to watch the battle for stupid supremacy. Dumb and dumber, draw your swords!

 

[Blanky]

The Afghan war could have gone two different ways. The US could have stuck to the script and went in, killed Bin Laden and his lackeys, and left. The US could have committed to nation building ala post WWII Germany or Japan taking the time and money to tear down and rebuild Afghan society. Instead, we drove straight up the middle.

Could never have gone the second way. Germany and Japan were, before the war, completely functioning societies. Afghanistan hasn't been one for a very long time. Its populous are widely uneducated and completely incompatible with anything approximating Western (or Asian) ways of life. We wouldn't know where to begin anymore than they apparently did. The place is a lost cause and has been for a long time, well before 911.

 

[Blanky]

The US taught millions of Afghans to be dumb horses and now you can't understand why you can't lead them to water or why they are kicking you.
Where did you get your education?

Hopefully he didn't get it by plugging a single search term into google images.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Could never have gone the second way. Germany and Japan were, before the war, completely functioning societies. Afghanistan hasn't been one for a very long time. Its populous are widely uneducated and completely incompatible with anything approximating Western (or Asian) ways of life. We wouldn't know where to begin anymore than they apparently did. The place is a lost cause and has been for a long time, well before 911.

My Uncle (Christian missionary) had an entirely different experience then yours in Afghanistan. He lived with Afghan tribes.
Did you get your information about Afghanistan from your schooling or the internet?

 

[Abwx]

lolcopter

Nothing more entertaining than to watch the battle for stupid supremacy. Dumb and dumber, draw your swords!

You are an hypocrite and a supremacist that is unable to aknowledge that his country fueled a reactionary insurgency and paid marcenaries to fight a legal communist government, exactly the same way that you are fueling the Syrian extremists currently, different time and differentt place but the same hypocrisy and support for terrorism as a mean to topple laic regimes that refuse to be US protectorates like Arabia or Jordan.

The Communists were hoding the legal government in 1978, that it please you or no, and they asked for the russian army support to fight the killers and criminals that you sent there, among others oussama ben laden and other such so called mudjahidins, actualy proxys and puppets of the CIA.

 

[bshole]

I don't think that's going to be a good idea for America. America's influence is already waning. Once the USA fully withdraws, this will be playground for Russia, China and to a lesser extent India and Iran. That will be a direct threat to American interests in the Middle East.

LOL!! If those fuckers are retarded enough to go there, buy them the tickets! Can't really see Russia EVER going there again.

Our only interest in the Middle East is their oil. No matter who is in charge, they will sell us their oil. No threat seen.

 

[Omar F1]

LOL!! If those fuckers are retarded enough to go there, buy them the tickets! Can't really see Russia EVER going there again.

Our only interest in the Middle East is their oil. No matter who is in charge, they will sell us their oil. No threat seen.

Wrong, there is another much more important interest over here for US to secure and protect

 

[Kadarin]

Nation building doesn't work if the people you're dealing with are Muslims who prefer to live in 7th century Middle Ages. The Taliban deserved to die for sponsoring Al Quaeda; we should have smashed them hard and gotten out quickly.