Taleban making big comeback in Afghanistan

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Pabster--you are being given a explanation of why we are losing in Afganistan--please attack the credability of the idea---explain why it does not fit the present obsevabable facts---don't be a troll and attack the source.

Try that yourself. The irony is amusing.

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of being an explanation of why we are losing in Afganistan-- it is almost unassailable and fits events almost perfectly---the real question is can the Taliban and the coalition forces work together for what may amount to a win win for the Afgani people, the taliban, coalition forces, and the larger world--with the big losers being the war lords and Al-Quida.

The harder question is how to make it work---or even get the process going--after all the water that has gone over the dam since 911.

If only Iraq was that simple.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Taliban wasnt exactly stable, they were fighting the Northern Alliance during their reign.

They controlled the majority of the nation and the Northen Alliance only held 10% of the country. In fact the Northen Alliance was on it's last legs prior to 9/11. So yes they were stable for your average Afghani living in the areas they dominated unless you lived on the front lines in the Northern parts of Afghanistan.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Lemon law
We must first understand the appeal of the Taleban in Afganistan---a country that has not had a stable government since 1937---it may have a stable US backed government now.
But outside the city limits of Kabul---that US backed government might as well not exist---out in the country side---its still corrupt war lords in charge---and its time to be be bullish on opium production---which is way up.

That is and remains the Talebans appeal---a non-corrupt movement that at least resulted in a stable government---replacing the super corrupt northerm alliance. Sharia law is not an appealing alternative but it sure beat what they had---and have now.

So the Afgani people now have the blessing of democracy in Kabul---elsewhere its the war lords in charge as usual---and only the Taleban helps the common man.

Yes, they help the common man remove his head.

It's been 5 years since 9/11, and Afghani's are still struggling to get more than a few hours of electricity per day after we bombed their infrastructure.

The US has shown time and time again that it's good at half-assing things. Afghanistan and Iraq are no exceptions. We have already failed in those two countries, we just haven't come to terms with it yet. It will probably be another half-decade of occupation before the American people realize that enough is enough.

How many hours a day did they have electricity before the toppling of the Taliban?
The place looks, well, devoid of technological advancement well before we showed up.

You think they appreciate that? You've never set foot in a muslim country have you? It's expected and they are entirely ungretful. Like all cultural things in the ME all roads lead to the Quran which dictates infidels should never be trusted and must pay a jizya tax, it's expected and taken for granted. If one good thing comes out of these ME conflicts it will be the critical mass of soldiers who come back qualified to talk about the Middle East are those who understand fully the tenets of Islam as they relate to the world of the Infidels. Everything governs that. You are falling victim to the same problem Bush has, and insidious byproduct of cultural relativism. one in which, Our leaders just can not believe that the Iraqis and Afghanis will not behave like Kansans given a chance and enough welfare.

I have several friends in the National Guard, and every one who has come back from Iraq has told me the everyday Iraqis they meet are just regular people, who let religion govern their lives as much as the average American. The BS you're spouting looks good on paper; too bad you have zebo clue what you're talking about.

Then why arnt they rolling over on the insurgents if they are so regular and appreciative? I look at what people do, not what they say.

I listen to what people who were actually over there, fighting in the war have to say, not what some internet jockey pipes through his keyboard. Regular people don't risk life and limb to fight a well organized insurgency; that's what US and Iraqi security forces are supposed to do.

So why is there a civil war going on in Iraq ? Why are Shiites and Sunnis killing each other everyday ? I don't know about you but I don't see the same level of religous violence here in the US as you see in Iraq. When is the last time you've seen bodies of Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindus, etc.....found in mass graves around New York city like you do with Sunnis/Shiites in Baghdad ? When's the last time we've had death squads pulling over random people of a certian faith and taking them out of their cars killing them in plain sight of everyone in the US ?

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of the mass graves---and the sectarian violence---its partially the work of Al-Quida---but also the work of the war lords---the war lord appeal is come under my protection or face certain death from some other war lord of another sect---a message as old as history itself---and it soon morfs into kill the other sect before they kill you--with the war lord financing operation by not just killing but stealing the slains possessions---and then to drugs or arms or anything to keep them in operation.---it really really good for the war lord---puts them in power and keeps them in power.----for everyone else its government by thuggery.

An ongoing process in Iraq----as I post this--- another 44 dead in one blow--from yahoo news--wanna bet it won't be the end of the days's butchers bill?

Getting a clue yet on what is really going on outside the green zone?---to add to that difficuty---turns out the Iraqi police we have trained often join the death squads.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1109/p01s03-wosc.html