Taking homes in non-blighted areas via Public Domain for developers for profit = fail

[Thump553]

Steal? These people were being paid fair market value for their properties-by law. Actually as a lawyer in CT that has handled eminent domain trials for the property owners, odds are they all got well above fair market value. Kelso's intransigence and showboating killed an urban renewal project that would have resulted in enormous benefit to the community as a whole. Given how you seem to be obsessed with the fact that a private entity was to do the actual project, I assume you would have been fine with the City government doing the renewal? Or do you rest your objections against the very concept of eminent domain-something that is expressly provided for in the fifth amendment?

 

[waggy]

Steal? These people were being paid fair market value for their properties-by law. Actually as a lawyer in CT that has handled eminent domain trials for the property owners, odds are they all got well above fair market value. Kelso's intransigence and showboating killed an urban renewal project that would have resulted in enormous benefit to the community as a whole. Given how you seem to be obsessed with the fact that a private entity was to do the actual project, I assume you would have been fine with the City government doing the renewal? Or do you rest your objections against the very concept of eminent domain-something that is expressly provided for in the fifth amendment?

yeas stealing. there is more to a house then Market cost. if a person does not want to sell it to a business tehy shouldn't have to.

 

[werepossum]

Agreed and let me tell you I'm not happy with Republicans for not fighting against this ruling tooth and nail and trying to fix it. It's just another mistake in a long, long line of complaints I have against the party I usually support. I don't love or even like the Republican party, I just think it's a lesser of the 2 evil parties we have in power.

I still see complaints by the progressives and liberals about Proposition 13 here in California that stopped the Democrats from excessively taxing the elderly and those on a fixed income out of their homes. It's basically just another form of taking by extreme taxation so the big government supporters can have more control over the populace.

I've never understood that last bit, people screaming about starving government while insisting it's well and good to starve old people by raising their taxes until they have to choose between food and having a roof over their heads.

Steal? These people were being paid fair market value for their properties-by law. Actually as a lawyer in CT that has handled eminent domain trials for the property owners, odds are they all got well above fair market value. Kelso's intransigence and showboating killed an urban renewal project that would have resulted in enormous benefit to the community as a whole. Given how you seem to be obsessed with the fact that a private entity was to do the actual project, I assume you would have been fine with the City government doing the renewal? Or do you rest your objections against the very concept of eminent domain-something that is expressly provided for in the fifth amendment?

Um, "fair market value" is that point where a the owner agrees to sell and the buyer agrees to buy. By definition, we did not have that here. Instead, the prospective buyer worked with government to purchase property at a price considerably lower than that the owners were willing to accept. Had the buyers offered "fair market value" they could have bought the property without fanfare or difficulty; they decided it would be cheaper to buy some politicians.

This was not an "urban renewal project", it was a private for-profit project (the kind you guys hate with a burning passion except evidently where it incidentally empowers government) sold on the merits of greater tax revenue.

 

[fstime]

More cities in CT have started doing this.

Property taxes in CT are through the roof, with the floor starting around $5,000/year for your most basic 1,000 sq. ft. single family and can easily go over $10,000.

Cities know they cannot break the back of the people with more tax hikes so they abuse ED to seize lots of property and flip it to private developers to put up 800 new apartments.

You don't own anything, last time I checked, stop paying that $450++++/month on something that is paid for in the clear and have it taken away from you means you're just renting it essentially.

The government should work for the people, but it's come to be that it just works to sustain it self and we end up working for the government (state, local, and federal).

 

[Thump553]

More cities in CT have started doing this.

Property taxes in CT are through the roof, with the floor starting around $5,000/year for your most basic 1,000 sq. ft. single family and can easily go over $10,000.

Cities know they cannot break the back of the people with more tax hikes so they abuse ED to seize lots of property and flip it to private developers to put up 800 new apartments.

You don't own anything, last time I checked, stop paying that $450++++/month on something that is paid for in the clear and have it taken away from you means you're just renting it essentially.

The government should work for the people, but it's come to be that it just works to sustain it self and we end up working for the government (state, local, and federal).

Not true. There has not been a single instance of any similar use of eminent domain in CT since the Kelso case arose. In actual fact Kelso never lost his palace.

Property tax rates are a completely different thing than eminent domain. BTW I live in a relatively high tax town and pay less than a third the rate of property taxes you allege. Also, in CT the ONLY way towns and cities can raise revenue (outside of incident things, like building permits and parking tickets and a pittance from the state government as revenue sharing) is through the property tax. If you don't like the way your local government spends, get involved in local politics instead of just bitching.

 

[Incorruptible]

Steal? These people were being paid fair market value for their properties-by law. Actually as a lawyer in CT that has handled eminent domain trials for the property owners, odds are they all got well above fair market value. Kelso's intransigence and showboating killed an urban renewal project that would have resulted in enormous benefit to the community as a whole. Given how you seem to be obsessed with the fact that a private entity was to do the actual project, I assume you would have been fine with the City government doing the renewal? Or do you rest your objections against the very concept of eminent domain-something that is expressly provided for in the fifth amendment?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself. If the person doesn't want to sell their PRIVATE PROPERTY then they dont have to.

 

[BoberFett]

Steal? These people were being paid fair market value for their properties-by law. Actually as a lawyer in CT that has handled eminent domain trials for the property owners, odds are they all got well above fair market value. Kelso's intransigence and showboating killed an urban renewal project that would have resulted in enormous benefit to the community as a whole. Given how you seem to be obsessed with the fact that a private entity was to do the actual project, I assume you would have been fine with the City government doing the renewal? Or do you rest your objections against the very concept of eminent domain-something that is expressly provided for in the fifth amendment?

Not true. There has not been a single instance of any similar use of eminent domain in CT since the Kelso case arose. In actual fact Kelso never lost his palace.

Who the fuck is Kelso?

Are you claiming you're an attorney? Apparently attorneys aren't required to have basic skills like reading or writing these days. No wonder this country is going to shit.

 

[uclaLabrat]

The chest thumping and complete misinformation in this thread is hilariously awesome.

 

[Thump553]

Who the fuck is Kelso?

Are you claiming you're an attorney? Apparently attorneys aren't required to have basic skills like reading or writing these days. No wonder this country is going to shit.

Sorry my typo so greatly offended your delicate sensibilites that you felt compelled to resort to personal attacks. Oh to be perfect as you obviously are.

 

[BoberFett]

Sorry my typo so greatly offended your delicate sensibilites that you felt compelled to resort to personal attacks. Oh to be perfect as you obviously are.

Typo?

You made that "typo" several times.

That's not a typo, that's ignorance.

If you truly are an attorney, I would think you would be aware of the plaintiff's name in a fairly important case that made it to the Supreme Court.

 

[fstime]

Not true. There has not been a single instance of any similar use of eminent domain in CT since the Kelso case arose. In actual fact Kelso never lost his palace.

Property tax rates are a completely different thing than eminent domain. BTW I live in a relatively high tax town and pay less than a third the rate of property taxes you allege. Also, in CT the ONLY way towns and cities can raise revenue (outside of incident things, like building permits and parking tickets and a pittance from the state government as revenue sharing) is through the property tax. If you don't like the way your local government spends, get involved in local politics instead of just bitching.

You must not live in the wealthy part of the state, Fairfield County. Property taxes are exactly that. I know plently of people who pay 10, 20, and 30 thousand a year.

No shit property taxes are something different, but that's the whole point of ED in the end, to increase tax revenue for cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/29RDOMAIN.html?pagewanted=all

http://norwalk.patch.com/articles/get-a-good-look-at-central-norwalk-itll-change

When talk of redevelopment led to meetings and hearings eight years ago, the city used the threat of eminent domain to encourage property owners to negotiate favorable terms of sale with the developers, said Nancy Esposito, owner, with her brother Casey, of Casey’s Sheet Metal at 15 Merwin St.

 

[mchammer187]

Not wanting some other private party to simply walk in and take something that belongs to you without your approval or any recourse is "self centered obstructionism" ... typical liberal stupidity.

Just wait until some big ebil corporation decides they want to put a plant where your house is some day, and you'll be whining.

As a matter of principle, the use of eminent domain should never be allowed to transfer property to another private party. If there's a legitimate need for community to use property (lets say a highway needs to be built through a certain location), that's a completely different situation.

Glad we are on the same side for KEYSTONE XL

 

[monovillage]

Glad we are on the same side for KEYSTONE XL

You have a point, however the use of land by a pipeline or access road or power line is not the same type of "taking" as condemning someones home, bulldozing it and building something new on the land. In most cases the pipeline is buried and the landowner still has full use of the property.

Again you have a point, eminent domain should not be used for the profit of a private company, but only with compelling reason to the public benefit.

 

[OverVolt]

The problem is, even though New Haven got what they deserved for doing what they did, the case and the scotus ruling in that case have now permanently established that it's perfectly OK for the government to simply take private property away from someone and hand it to another private party with the pretense of overall good for the community.

And this is why I plan to rent. For a long time. Cause it seems to be only getting worse.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2012/12/01/china-home-farmer-road/1738873/

Thats how the Chinese do it. That man refuses to move from his house. Now he lives in the middle of a highway. :awe:

Of course he eventually caved.